Illusion - new reverb from LiquidSonics

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jazzist
KVRer
11 posts since 30 Nov, 2013 from Germany

Post Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:09 pm

yellowmix wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:52 pm
IIRC, Fusion-IR is proprietary and patented, so even if it were reverse-engineered, could not legally be used by anything other than Reverberate 2 (or 3 or whatever) or licensees (ostensibly the license would limit what Fusion-IRs could be used) until the patent expires.
I doubt that. Normally a mere format description cannot be patented. Similar to MP3 what might be patented is a process to encode and decode a Fusion IR. No specific MP3 file has ever been under patent protection, so no owner of "illegal" mp3 was ever accused of patent infringement (that were all about copyright infringements). If it is patented then the patent description is public. At first glance could not find it, neither under Liquidsonics nor under Matthew Hill. Furthermore protection is valid only in that specific country where the patent has been granted. To make it short: If the format is known, everybody can do a Fusion IR, only you are prohibited to do it exactly like it is written in the claims of a granted patent (if there is one) in that country where the patent is granted.

SteveWZ
KVRian
734 posts since 26 Feb, 2016

Re: Illusion - new reverb from LiquidSonics

Post Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:43 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:30 am
Well is sounds lovely.

Comparing it with 7th Heaven, Reverberate and HD Cart (which has a much louder output than the others incidentally) it sounds completely different......
True,
I like the way Illusion can add some authentic space to a sampled instrument.
Here is a sampled Cello that needed something to bring some life to it.
The complexity that Illusion allows really makes the sample sound much more musical.

https://soundcloud.com/synth-presets-co ... sic-hall-4

yellowmix
KVRian
732 posts since 11 Aug, 2012

Re: Illusion - new reverb from LiquidSonics

Post Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:07 pm

jazzist wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:09 pm
To make it short: If the format is known, everybody can do a Fusion IR, only you are prohibited to do it exactly like it is written in the claims of a granted patent (if there is one) in that country where the patent is granted.
If there is no patent, anyone can make a Fusion-IR like plugin with their own file specification right now.

Honestly, I'm thinking it's got nothing to do with any of that. Writing technical documentation and tutorials and process documents isn't exactly fun, and like I said, the concept is probably being continually refined, so writing to an old version makes it less fun. Solo developers have to have a passion for their product and we've seen two or three new products since Reverberate 2. So customers understandably simply want to know if the product is as-is at this point. Simple and reasonable question, right?

lolilol1975
KVRian
541 posts since 6 Dec, 2015

Re: Illusion - new reverb from LiquidSonics

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:27 pm

robotmonkey wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:18 am
So... is it better than a Valhalla reverb?
All I can say is LiquidSonics latest reverbs are among the very best software reverbs right now. Do you need it or is it indistinguishable from Valhala in your production is another question.

SteveWZ
KVRian
734 posts since 26 Feb, 2016

Re: Illusion - new reverb from LiquidSonics

Post Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:51 am

lolilol1975 wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:27 pm
robotmonkey wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:18 am
So... is it better than a Valhalla reverb?
All I can say is LiquidSonics latest reverbs are among the very best software reverbs right now. Do you need it or is it indistinguishable from Valhala in your production is another question.

Yes, they are.
A good test of quality for any reverb is believably.
Here is another example of Illusion.
The cello sample was a bit lifeless, but the space Illusion brings to it makes it sound much more authentic and less like a sample.


https://soundcloud.com/synth-presets-co ... ood-room-8

jazzist
KVRer
11 posts since 30 Nov, 2013 from Germany

Re: Illusion - new reverb from LiquidSonics

Post Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:12 pm

yellowmix wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:07 pm
So customers understandably simply want to know if the product is as-is at this point. Simple and reasonable question, right?
Yes, honestly I also think it would be nice to have native support as suggested by liquidsonics when Reverberate 2 was introduced. Just wanted to clarify some misconceptions about patents as this can be a difficult topic. Probably there could even be a port between a snapshot of an Illusion reverb and Reverberate 2?

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