Bitwig 8-Track "free" with CM Magazine.

[toonertik]

I do get the calls for a 3rd way, say a paid 99usd version that is full but say limited to 16 tracks, Cubase has a lot of versions and you can probably find a price to features ratio to suit you, but Bitwig are a very small company and this complicated their delivery model, right now you may be better picking up a bargain licence on KVR!

Yeah, I'd probably bite on that... but at about 300+ units of dinerio, it's too much for me to justify as a supplementary DAW .

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I do get the calls for a 3rd way, say a paid 99usd version that is full but say limited to 16 tracks, Cubase has a lot of versions and you can probably find a price to features ratio to suit you, but Bitwig are a very small company and this complicated their delivery model, right now you may be better picking up a bargain licence on KVR!

Yeah, I'd probably bite on that... but at about 300+ units of dinerio, it's too much for me to justify as a supplementary DAW .

Agreed, on both counts

[dellboy]

Its not the fault of Computer Music that Bitwig supplied them with a stingy cut down version that does not run VSTs. Its entirely the fault of Bitwig for being so mean and lacking generosity. Without the ability to run VSTs you are stuck with the rubbish onboard sounds.

Ok, the onboard sounds will suit the EDM -electronica crowd,and if that is who Bitwig are appealing to then fine. But they have severely limited their market.

On the other hand, if they want this demo to be of use to others then they either need to provide a selection of decent onboard sounds, or not be so mean hearted and enable VSTs for all tracks, or at bare minimum allow external synths to be used.

Or better still just offer this very limited demo free from their own website rather than make people buy something to get it.

[SLiC]

Its not the fault of Computer Music that Bitwig supplied them with a stingy cut down version that does not run VSTs. Its entirely the fault of Bitwig for being so mean and lacking generosity. Without the ability to run VSTs you are stuck with the rubbish onboard sounds.

You can run 2 VSTs so you can try using BWS modulation system on the VSTs etc

Ok, the onboard sounds will suit the EDM -electronica crowd,and if that is who Bitwig are appealing to then fine. But they have severely limited their market.

Bitwig (and Live) are pretty much focused towards EDM and experimental electronic music, live music etc. There are better DAWS for linear song production, recording bands/live instruments etc, mixing and post production, possible even better free DAWS if you are not in to racks, modulation, CV and loop (clip) based production. If you are in to those things you have probably already bought Live or Bitwig!

On the other hand, if they want this demo to be of use to others then they either need to provide a selection of decent onboard sounds, or not be so mean hearted and enable VSTs for all tracks, or at bare minimum allow external synths to be used.

There is a full demo with all the sounds, all the instruments, everything- just no save, but enough to fully evaluate it without trying to use it for productive work without paying anything.

Or better still just offer this very limited demo free from their own website rather than make people buy something to get it.

I agree, they may as well, but I dint know the model, CM may have paid them to distribute it or visa versa!

[dellboy]

Bitwig (and Live) are pretty much focused towards EDM and experimental electronic music, live music etc.

Yeah, I got that message, not for me then.

[SLiC]

I do get the calls for a 3rd way, say a paid 99usd version that is full but say limited to 16 tracks, Cubase has a lot of versions and you can probably find a price to features ratio to suit you, but Bitwig are a very small company and this complicated their delivery model, right now you may be better picking up a bargain licence on KVR!

Yeah, I'd probably bite on that... but at about 300+ units of dinerio, it's too much for me to justify as a supplementary DAW .

Its currently $269 'list' if you upgrade from the free 8 track version (so it has at least 1 use!) and if you shop around (jjr shop etc) you will be surprised how close it gets to 200.....

[Russell Grand]

Live Lite is just as limited, no?

No.

It doesn't restrict the amount of VSTs you can use. That's a pretty severe limitation on top of a limited track count.

Oh I agree, sprn. I didn't realize Lite allows unlimited VSTs but since they do, Bitwig is foolish to place such a limitation on their own intro product.

Foolish?

Many users such as myself, who already own a primary daw, find that Ableton Lite is the perfect addition to our workflow, as it offers enough that we need to upgrade the product. So, if you are going to call anyone foolish (should you so need), then perhaps aim the insult at Ableton, as they are no doubt losing sales.

For a long-established company like Ableton, it's probably not going to affect them negatively. Could be very different for a much younger company to lose sales by providing a tool that offers just enough for those who already run another daw, to never have to pay.

Just calling it like I see it, but hey: I'm more than covered in the DAW department and I really have no interest in Bitwig (or Live for that matter) so honestly I have no dog in this fight.
You may well be right.

[Arovane]

Yes but its educational
https://www.jrrshop.com/bitwig-studio-educational

or where ist the full Version much cheaper ?

[SLiC]

Bitwig (and Live) are pretty much focused towards EDM and experimental electronic music, live music etc.

Yeah, I got that message, not for me then.

I don't think many people will move completely from a DAW like Logic, S1 or Cubase (or even the free DAWS as discussed), but quite a few will add it as a second 'experimental' DAW (almost like a big modular instrument!) if they have the funds.

I would speculate that the majority of people moving to Bigwig are people moving from Live who want a 'bit' more linear control/editing or are attracted by the simpler modulation system and CVB etc.

In a world where top DAWS like Sonar Platinum is free, other DAWS new companies/DAWS like Bitwig will probably have to be 'best in class' for their particular niche (which I guess is currently a niche held by Bigwig or Live)

In a world with increasing piracy, free world class DAWS, cheap DAWS like Reaper....I don't envy anyone trying to enter the DAW market.

[SLiC]

Yes but its educational
https://www.jrrshop.com/bitwig-studio-educational

or where ist the full Version much cheaper ?

Its 269 for the full version on bitwigs own website (199 EDU)
https://www.bitwig.com/en/shop/webshop

I haven't shopped around as I own it, but when I bought it I got it about 25 bucks cheaper at JJR than the bitwig price.

PS- I just put the EDU in my cart at JJR and the price was under $180.....here is the link to the upgrade from 8 track - its $233 https://www.jrrshop.com/bitwig-studio-v ... ig-8-track

[Zexila]

This is how a free market works. You either adjust or go out of business. Be good or be good at it.

Exactly, totally with you on that, when I suggested that on Bitwig forum, everyone and their dogs jumped at me like it's most bizarre idea ever

Just that people get sick of users trying to bully, push, manipulate and cajole developers into giving them stuff cheaper. It is really disrespectful.

Exactly, in one point of my life I worked on flee market where my boss sold vegetables cheaper in bulk, good old tactic, quite successfully, there was just one item, cucumber, majority of people didn't want to buy 12kg of it, most of them only could justify 5kg max and even that was too much for their needs, they asked we give them at least 5kg option and my boss stick to his thing and long story short, we didn't made any money on cucumbers that way, they can't last long before they dry up, even after cutting the prices nobody wanted to buy 12kg of dried cucumbers, nobody wanted them for free at that point, so one day he finally broke down and we re-packed them in 5kg packages, yeah, we killed it.

[SLiC]

Upgrade from 8 track to Bitwig Studio 2.4 on AudioDeluxe (you need to put it in your basket)

Order total $219.99

https://www.audiodeluxe.com/search/site ... tudio%2520

I guess if people think the full commercial version of Bitwig Studio (plus probably 3 free major updates in the next year if the last year was anything to go by) isn't worth 220 bucks Bitwig will have a hard future.

[Zexila]

I guess if people think the full commercial version of Bitwig Studio (plus probably 3 free major updates in the next year if the last year was anything to go by) isn't worth 220 bucks Bitwig will have a hard future.

They mostly focus on people that really want Bitwig at any cost and that will probably just get 8 track as upgrade path, but there's enough of us that would buy it just to use it as the sketchpad, 220 bucks sketchpad, my full blown DAW cost even less and had 4-5 years of free updates, you do the math again.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I guess if people think the full commercial version of Bitwig Studio (plus probably 3 free major updates in the next year if the last year was anything to go by) isn't worth 220 bucks Bitwig will have a hard future.

They mostly focus on people that really want Bitwig at any cost and that will probably just get 8 track as upgrade path, but there's enough of us that would buy it just to use it as the sketchpad, 220 bucks sketchpad, my full blown DAW cost even less and had 4-5 years of free updates, you do the math again.

You can't base your opinion about price on your limited usage requirements i.e You can't talk about Bitwig being a $220 sketchpad, when it happens to be a full-blown daw. And if the what you are using as a primary is Logic, then that is not a fair comparison. Apple is able to price and maintain their daw's at such value as they are making their money on the hardware you need to buy to use it.

[Zexila]

You can't base your opinion about price on your limited usage requirements

I'm talking about myself and people like me, so we need sketchpad and 8/16 track without vst limitation could do us, we already got full blown DAW's which Bitwig can't replace at this point in time (lousy retina OS X performer, no video support and etc), so we are part of the market share, maybe small, but maybe worth hearing out and considering.