zenophilix wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:17 pm
I thought you just disliked the Minmoog filters? Doesn't mean that they're objectively terrible.
Of course they are objectively terrible - nobody can argue that when you turn the resonance up, the bottom end drops out of the sound. That's not supposed to happen and is, therefore, objectively terrible filter design/implementation.
perfumer wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:59 pm
True, because the 101 is the worst, right? Riiight?!
No, TB303 is the worst sounding synth I have ever owned. Even when mine were brand new I would never have thought about using their synth engine. I only ever used them as sequencers. As one of them played my SH101, the 101 wasn't as bad but it still didn't sound anywhere near as good as my ARP Axxe or Korg Delta. Even though my first few synths were Rolands, it didn't take me long to find other brands whose products had a stronger, fuller, richer sound. Buying a Boutique JP08 a couple of years ago, a recreation of a synth I had lusted after in the 80s but couldn't afford, just confirmed to me that Roland stuff isn't as good as most other stuff out there. At best I'd call them competent - they'd get the job done if that's all you had to work with but I never found them exciting or inspiring like some of my favourite synths over the years.
Stefken wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:11 am
Luckily no one ever tried to replicate the ladder filter after that debacle.
Are you honestly going to try and tell me that having the arse fall out of your sound as you turn up the resonance is a desirable, sought-after trait in filters? If so, you'll need to provide some pretty convincing evidence of its efficacy. Seriously, you'd have more chance of convincing me that buying a hi-fi system where the bottom end is attenuated at high volume is a good thing because at least I can understand why that might be desirable in some situations. OTOH, if you can't get the full beefy sound from those excellent Moog oscillators into a squelchy bass line, then that's a bad design, pure and simple. That so many people are too blind and/or stupid to realise that doesn't change the facts.
chk071 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:19 am
Stop wasting your time with bad Minimoog emus. Get a good one, and then judge again.
I am not talking about emulations, I am talking about the real, original, hardware synth. I had many opportunities to play with them in music stores in the early 1980s, because stores had trouble shifting them, and to my ears they were never that good and I have never understood why they suddenly became so revered 30 years later. Of all the synths of the late 70s/early 80s, that is one of the few I never saw anyone using on stage. To be fair, they were expensive here in Australia but so were Sequential Circuits, ARPs and Oberheims but I saw plenty of bands with those.
EvilDragon wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:37 am
Except Monark is not a bad Minimoog emu. I've actually played on the actual Minimoog NI modelled while I was at NI HQ a few months ago.
There's some serious oscillator bleed in it (needs some servicing apparently), but the bite and aggressiveness is exactly the same.
What "bite and aggressiveness"? It's a pussycat. If you want "bite and aggressiveness", try something from Korg - MS 20, MonoPoly or even PolySix. The oscillators aren't as good but Korg's fantastic filters more than make up for them in the aggro department. MiniMoog does big, full sound quite well but that's all down to the oscillators and the drive you get through the signal path. The filter kind of ruins all that when you start to use the resonance to try and make it scream, so you have to judicious with your settings.
wagtunes wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:45 am
My problem with Monark has nothing to do with the sound. It's simply not efficient for me to use it. Legend, it's one click to open. Monark, it's two clicks. Reaktor, THEN Monark. When I have a perfectly good alternative, there's no reason for me to go through the extra step.
It's not even down to that. When I first got my Komplete bundle and tried Monark out, it was after having played around with Legend for weeks and it just doesn't sound nearly as good. It may be a more faithful recreation but that means less than nothing to me.