Am I the only person who feels like Reason is completely unusable since VST support?

[goldenanalog]

Anyways, pretty big announcement of 10.3 and I've joined up even though I hate GOB partici...I mean beta testing. Usually the beta runs hot so it will be interesting to see if you even notice an improvement.

- I would encourage everyone who participates in the 10.3 beta testing to HAMMER the app! It needs tough love - my hope is that it forces the Props to finally grow-it-up -

I LOVE Reason - just bought several of the RE bundles; my plan is to go crazy with it for the remainder of this year - but I also try not to be delusional about Reason, either - it's performance overall is behind other DAWs especially when it's under load; even when running on better computers.

[Deep Purple]

I think the most interesting thing about the 10.3 beta announcement is that Propellerheads recognizes issues and they were willing to revamp their codebase. It's far better than the band aid approach of bug fixing, and will hopefully lead to a more solid product.

[goldenanalog]

I think the most interesting thing about the 10.3 beta announcement is that Propellerheads recognizes issues and they were willing to revamp their codebase. It's far better than the band aid approach of bug fixing, and will hopefully lead to a more solid product.

Amen, amen, amen!

[THE INTRANCER]

I think the most interesting thing about the 10.3 beta announcement is that Propellerheads recognizes issues and they were willing to revamp their codebase. It's far better than the band aid approach of bug fixing, and will hopefully lead to a more solid product.

These are not bugs, these are core legacy design issues Propellerheads are faced with... (, personally I've used Reason since May of 2001) The rack size hasn't changed since the era of 800x600 / 1024x768 was the norm for monitors.

Propellerheads have said nothing about how they are going to address this, because almost every other DAW has.

[reggie1979]

Anyways, pretty big announcement of 10.3 and I've joined up even though I hate GOB partici...I mean beta testing. Usually the beta runs hot so it will be interesting to see if you even notice an improvement.

- I would encourage everyone who participates in the 10.3 beta testing to HAMMER the app! It needs tough love - my hope is that it forces the Props to finally grow-it-up -

I LOVE Reason - just bought several of the RE bundles; my plan is to go crazy with it for the remainder of this year - but I also try not to be delusional about Reason, either - it's performance overall is behind other DAWs especially when it's under load; even when running on better computers.

If I get an invite I've heard that unless you were first in line it will be a while

[reggie1979]

I think the most interesting thing about the 10.3 beta announcement is that Propellerheads recognizes issues and they were willing to revamp their codebase. It's far better than the band aid approach of bug fixing, and will hopefully lead to a more solid product.

And it's a good thing. Like I said about Studio One, they had a serious issue at one point of time and addressed it. Reason did do this in some "10" version but not adequately. I personally appreciate the effort and look forward to what is being done.

BTW, does anyone know of the other things for 10.3? I haven't seen a release notes other than addressing CPU issues.

[fgimian]

Really excited about 10.3 with the improvements to VST support, thanks!

The biggest issue for me in Reason now is definitely the size of everything. I find it incredibly hard to read. The mixer in particular lacks ergonomics with its very tall strips (which obviously was an attempt to match the SSL consoles). The text is so tiny and hard to read for me especially being visually impaired.

Reason also does a lot of red on block (e.g. in the reverb unit, matrix .etc) which is almost impossible to read if you're colourblind (which I am). Really really wish companies would stop doing this.

I recently upgraded to Reason 10 to work on some older projects but have been using Cubase and Logic exclusively since Reason 4, and going back to Reason is both amazing (it's so much fun) but also shows me clearly how bad the mixing ergonomics are compared to Cubase and Logic's mixer.

Hoping Propellerheads can address the UI issues after VST support is sorted but am very grateful to the guys for their hard work and innovation in Reason! <3

[pekbro]

I use a 50'' inch HDTV as a monitor, so everythings huge at 1920x1080. Honestly, I wouldn't use 4k
unless the screen was absolutely gigantic.

[rewrite history]

All these complaints about 4k this and that, either change your resolution or get a bigger monitor.
The world hasn't caught up yet for 4k, it's only been out a little while. Plus, at this point 4k is really meant for tv, movies and video games.

You really don't need high resolution graphics to look all pretty to make music with your ears, seriously. If you have trouble trying to get software to perform up to 4k, you're wasting your time, you have to work with what is possible at this time.

[antic604]

My point is, people went into it expecting a full 100% VST implementation, when in reality it was just a patch, until you could complete the full rewrite. This is what people have been waiting on in the dark. I think Propellerhead and Reason are on their way back, but it's a long road ahead with a lot of other vehicles on the road these days. I wish you guys the best, but it has been a very long time since things got rocky, what 5 years ago?

That's simply not true. Majority of VSTs work just fine, perhaps within 5% of performance in other *comparable* DAWs, like Live or Bitwig. I'm excluding Reaper, Cubase or S1 simply because they employ mechanisms that pre-buffer everything that isn't armed, so they can handle more plugins but at the same time are not as responsive, don't offer internal modulation schemes, self-playing sequencer devices, etc. Apples to oranges. There are some plugins that run significantly worse and some that just don't run at all (like all MIDI FX plugins, e.g. arpeggiators, chord generators, etc.)

But I agree with one thing - seems like since v10 they've really woken up: they listen to users, interact with them (e.g. the CEO thread on ReasonTalk from yesterday), are more open in comunication, add stuff that's been asked for ages ago (v10.2). Hope it's not too late

[antic604]

All these complaints about 4k this and that, either change your resolution or get a bigger monitor.
The world hasn't caught up yet for 4k, it's only been out a little while. Plus, at this point 4k is really meant for tv, movies and video games.

You really don't need high resolution graphics to look all pretty to make music with your ears, seriously. If you have trouble trying to get software to perform up to 4k, you're wasting your time, you have to work with what is possible at this time.

WTF are you on about? Bitwig and Live both work FLAWLESSLY on high-DPI and 4K screens, S1 isn't far off. It's possible already.

[GreyLion]

Yeah, sorry, rewrite history, but 4K went mainstream two Black Fridays ago. Prices dropped enough to make 40"+ 4K monitors a consumer item, not an expensive cutting-edge one. In software cycles, that's at least one major version release. The DAWS and plugs that aren't yet resizeable are behind the curve, not on it, and dropping further back every month. There's a solid economic reason that so many devs are updating their GUIs as quickly as possible. I no longer buy plugs that strain my eyes on my 43" 4K monitor.

Reason will either learn to adapt to a moving marketplace, or die.

[reggie1979]

I don't know 4K from a 401K.

Would love to have a bigger monitor or two but it's just not in the cards

[chk071]

I use a 50'' inch HDTV as a monitor, so everythings huge at 1920x1080. Honestly, I wouldn't use 4k
unless the screen was absolutely gigantic.

Well... unless you sit away 3 or 4 metres from the TV, i'd say that 4k would be pretty suited for such a big display. With such a big screen, in full HD, you'll likely already see the pixels, and it's all a bit rough around the edges, so to say. I have a 4k 43" here, and i sit about 2 to 2 1/2 metres away, and it's great. It's all a matter of scaling anyway. If it really is too small on such a big screen, you can always use Windows' scaling. As i said, though, on such a big screen, i can hardly imagine that it gets too small.

[esselfortium]

4k support is definitely going to be crucial going forward from here, there's no getting around that. Reason's current UI scale feels pretty ideal for my 1080p display, though. Being able to see two rack columns side by side is great for navigation.