Hive only or rollout to other synths?
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- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
I had to install it to see how it works (user manual is not overly clear). Yes, it's much like that, but not as complex, not tabbed and I think quite a bit faster to work with (no menu diving!). Also, I do not see options to modulate the shape parameters in Arcsyn, I see no options to iterate through steps per note and I don't see ways to offset, ratchet or invert step values (other than what various shapes offer). I'm not sure if shapes between steps can be aligned, I don't see any visual feedback for that.
I also don't understand this part of the manual:
I have no idea what semitones have to do with LFO output levels, or how it would relate to what we're doing in HiveLEVEL (The numbers under the waveform display)
Adjusts the level of the LFO output in semitones (0 to 127). The default setting is 127 for LFO step 1 and 0 for the remaining steps.
STEP LEVEL (The bottom row of numbers)
Adjusts the level of the LFO step output in semitones (0 to 24). The default setting is 0.
So yeah, I think the general concept bears similarity, like the Performers in Massive and the Steppers in Spire. I do think however that downsizing things and making them very animated adds a new quality to these concepts - particularly in terms of usability and fun factor.
- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
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- KVRAF
- 3729 posts since 3 Nov, 2015
Very interesting. Thanks for pointing out the difference.Urs wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:05 pm This came up a few weeks ago in another thread. I believe the two concepts are fundamentally different. In Biotek you can use a performance controller to switch between different LFO settings. That's not the case in our shape sequencer concept. I think the Biotek design is more geared towards variation of LFOs whereas ours is more geared towards generating various rhythmic structures.
Cheers/tschüß
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- KVRian
- 754 posts since 27 Nov, 2011
Very cool... I've always liked Massive's Performer and wonder why it hasn't caught on to more synths. I think it would be really cool in Zebra if you could build an MSEG out of components similar to Performer, and then tweak them. So not a full MSEG preset, but mini-presets for certain parts if that makes sense.
- KVRian
- 1266 posts since 6 Jun, 2016
Seems like a departure from the original UI.
Btw, I purchased Eclipse and I must say it's really good. Even still, I flip between Eclipse and Original as each has their influence.
- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
We're actually back much closer to the original UI than anything we posted suggests. We mostly changed mood and colour. A lot less space ship, a lot more solid clarity.
The new elements take up a strip of something like 60-100 pixels between hexagon and bottom panel. That strip was harvested by weeding out empty space between modules in the former layout.
- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Yeah, I've been thinking about that.padillac wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:22 pm Very cool... I've always liked Massive's Performer and wonder why it hasn't caught on to more synths. I think it would be really cool in Zebra if you could build an MSEG out of components similar to Performer, and then tweak them. So not a full MSEG preset, but mini-presets for certain parts if that makes sense.
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
Talking about Hive 2.0 Urs...since Hive generaly was a "spiritual successor" to Sylenth1, why not to add with this update an option to increase the detune? Hive's max Detune would be aproximate whats in Sylenth1 would be around 70%.
- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
I don't think moar Detune is overly useful. But of course you can always use Constant through the Matrix to increase it a lot further.
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
Oh it is, for more agressive music it is. But thanks for the tip, works!Urs wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:07 am I don't think moar Detune is overly useful. But of course you can always use Constant through the Matrix to increase it a lot further.
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- KVRAF
- 2623 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
Wow I am very curious, it sounds very appealing and also like intuitive fun. Maybe now I cannot resist to buy Hive anymore, even if I already have like 20 wavetable synths + Synthmaster 1/2 + waiting for Zebra 3 - that's why I didn't so far. Actually I always was in love with that mipmap?-unison in Hive, like 16 unison-voices at once or even more creates such a rich, nicely textured sound, even more analog than real world analog. If then there was a variable drift per unison voice or even per-note lfos, speed-modulated by random-per-note lfos or something, I could die knowing I just heard the best analog sound in the world. Even though Hive marketing seems to aim EDM often primarily 
- KVRAF
- 4805 posts since 21 Jan, 2008 from oO
This is so cool, it looks like Hive totally covers what previously Camel Space and Tantra did for me. Bringing on creative rhythm into patches in a simple way, to quickly fit the empty spaces in a track. Awesome..!
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