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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:46 am

fold4 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:34 am
PatchAdamz wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:25 amArt versus science, or the art of science.
It's all art. Also all science. No vs.

Agreed. There's really no reason to put one against the other, they all have their uses. And, there's "proudly" digital synths, which sound damn good too.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:13 pm

OK. So it's official, official: Introductory Price: $179 (Reg. $249)

http://www.kvraudio.com/news/brainworx- ... ment-44871

That's ridiculous imho. Time to Unsubscribe topic.

nachenko · Post by **nachenko** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:56 pm

Aloysius wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:13 pm OK. So it's official, official: Introductory Price: $179 (Reg. $249)

http://www.kvraudio.com/news/brainworx- ... ment-44871

That's ridiculous imho. Time to Unsubscribe topic.

Agreed. I understand Plugin Alliance pricing strategy quite well (I even have a book that explains the why and how it works), but seriously, 249$ is a bit pretentious considering The Legend or Repro current prices.

abernathy · Post by **abernathy** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:15 pm

OK, I've changed my mind about this synth. After spending more time with it I realize it is the presets and certain effects that don't work for me. Half (or more?) of the presets use the Air Band effect which sounds awful to me - take a nice warm sound and make it overly bright, shrill (and modern?). I think the reverb takes away from most presets as well - this reverb doesn't sound good at all to me. Strange to me how the beautiful "analog" sound of this synth is obliterated by the harsh effects.

There are a lot of beautiful presets hidden in there if you turn off the effects (at least Air Band, Reverb, and Metal). I really wish this had a global effects switch like Repro (one of my favorite features).

Global effects bypass and a lower price would sell me on this. Crazy over-priced IMO.

SoundPorn · Post by **SoundPorn** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:46 pm

LOL this isn't even an exact emulation of any one synth yet they thought it'd be okay to put an ADS envelope but a M/S filter...WTF haha. I think they wanted to just jam they're TNT tech into the easiest synth they old synth they could model, but didn't even want to commit to a specific emulation. To make matters worse they priced themselves into a major flop of a first release like this makes me want to buy Softube Parrallels just because in comparison it seems fairly priced and innovative.

Vortifex · Post by **Vortifex** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:59 pm

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:02 pm

Arturia vs Bx

https://youtu.be/h6MjTAOjcK8

Scotty · Post by **Scotty** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:09 pm

There is a global efx switch ... although I agree with most of your observations.

abernathy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:15 pm OK, I've changed my mind about this synth. After spending more time with it I realize it is the presets and certain effects that don't work for me. Half (or more?) of the presets use the Air Band effect which sounds awful to me - take a nice warm sound and make it overly bright, shrill (and modern?). I think the reverb takes away from most presets as well - this reverb doesn't sound good at all to me. Strange to me how the beautiful "analog" sound of this synth is obliterated by the harsh effects.

There are a lot of beautiful presets hidden in there if you turn off the effects (at least Air Band, Reverb, and Metal). I really wish this had a global effects switch like Repro (one of my favorite features).

Global effects bypass and a lower price would sell me on this. Crazy over-priced IMO.

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:17 pm

nachenko wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:56 pm
Aloysius wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:13 pm OK. So it's official, official: Introductory Price: $179 (Reg. $249)

http://www.kvraudio.com/news/brainworx- ... ment-44871

That's ridiculous imho. Time to Unsubscribe topic.
Agreed. I understand Plugin Alliance pricing strategy quite well (I even have a book that explains the why and how it works), but seriously, 249$ is a bit pretentious considering The Legend or Repro current prices.

Yeah, it's not realistic, considering the competition. Maybe the "heavy hitter" discount will bring it down to reasonable levels.

abernathy · Post by **abernathy** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:09 pm There is a global efx switch ... although I agree with most of your observations.

abernathy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:15 pm OK, I've changed my mind about this synth. After spending more time with it I realize it is the presets and certain effects that don't work for me. Half (or more?) of the presets use the Air Band effect which sounds awful to me - take a nice warm sound and make it overly bright, shrill (and modern?). I think the reverb takes away from most presets as well - this reverb doesn't sound good at all to me. Strange to me how the beautiful "analog" sound of this synth is obliterated by the harsh effects.

There are a lot of beautiful presets hidden in there if you turn off the effects (at least Air Band, Reverb, and Metal). I really wish this had a global effects switch like Repro (one of my favorite features).

Global effects bypass and a lower price would sell me on this. Crazy over-priced IMO.

What I meant was a global effects bypass that keeps effects turned off even when you switch presets. Repro may be unique with this feature.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:43 pm

Dirk moved to the US. Might be too much lead in his water.

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:52 pm

plexuss wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:43 pm Dirk moved to the US. Might be too much lead in his water.

Hookers 'n blow ain't cheap

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:53 pm

SoundPorn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:46 pm LOL this isn't even an exact emulation of any one synth yet they thought it'd be okay to put an ADS envelope but a M/S filter...WTF haha. I think they wanted to just jam they're TNT tech into the easiest synth they old synth they could model, but didn't even want to commit to a specific emulation. To make matters worse they priced themselves into a major flop of a first release like this makes me want to buy Softube Parrallels just because in comparison it seems fairly priced and innovative.

The oberheim sem has an ADS envelope
Oh yeah , they are emulating an oberheim sem

And by the way , brainworx has been coding quality plugins for over decade, specifically for the creamware/sonic core program .
These guys surely know what they are doing , and it's not because the sem has a simple signal flow means that it's easy to model the synth accurately .
It's not you standard wavetable plug , that's for sure

AdvancedFollower · Post by **AdvancedFollower** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:27 pm

Stefken wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:02 pm Arturia vs Bx

https://youtu.be/h6MjTAOjcK8

Really good comparison. So they're remarkably close when it comes to the basic "synth" bits like the oscillators, filter etc. The bx has a few features the Arturia lacks, and vice versa. If any of those features are important to you, that should guide your purchasing decision in favor of one or the other.
Personally, as I already have the Arturia version, this video just re-affirms my feeling that it's not worth it for me, especially at the asking price.

SoundPorn · Post by **SoundPorn** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:29 pm

Look I'm just going off what the creator of the plug said. He said in the video he didn't model a particular synth. And the SEM didn't have unison. So if we're playing that game why are we playing it halfway?

https://youtu.be/zBTiDpWTxc8

gentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:53 pm
SoundPorn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:46 pm LOL this isn't even an exact emulation of any one synth yet they thought it'd be okay to put an ADS envelope but a M/S filter...WTF haha. I think they wanted to just jam they're TNT tech into the easiest synth they old synth they could model, but didn't even want to commit to a specific emulation. To make matters worse they priced themselves into a major flop of a first release like this makes me want to buy Softube Parrallels just because in comparison it seems fairly priced and innovative.
The oberheim sem has an ADS envelope
Oh yeah , they are emulating an oberheim sem

And by the way , brainworx has been coding quality plugins for over decade, specifically for the creamware/sonic core program .
These guys surely know what they are doing , and it's not because the sem has a simple signal flow means that it's easy to model the synth accurately .
It's not you standard wavetable plug , that's for sure

bx_oberhausen from Plugin Alliance has landed