What is forbidden?
It's Q2! Any news on Hive 2?
- u-he
- 28065 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
Whose name is on the plugin ? It's called bx_rooms so if you put your name on it.....I think you can figure the rest out.
It may well be that the other bx plugins are "pretty damn good" but based on bx_rooms and the weak free Rockrack and CleanSweep plugins I see no motivation whatsoever to try any of their other overpriced plugins. Too many other options available, a fact that PA doesn't seem to understand.
Plugins that are "pretty damn good" and list for $200 plus rarely need to be sold for $9 or $29.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
OK. Never heard of that. I wonder how they want to distinguish though. As you know, for example, telecommunication companies here take 19,90/month in the first one or two years, and then raise the price to 39,90 after that. Not quite the same thing, but, similarly blurring.
- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
I can't comment on the legality of such actions especially here in the U.S. where businesses are allowed to do just about anything no matter how despicable to generate profits but I can tell you just from one user's viewpoint the practice is off putting and likely to lose them more sales than it gains.
Anyway long live Hive 2....can't wait to get my grubby hands on it. I plan to purchase the upgrade without even demoing it since I know U-he doesn't need to play games.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Considering how well Waves are doing, i don't know if that's really the case.Teksonik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:13 pmI can't comment on the legality of such actions especially here in the U.S. where businesses are allowed to do just about anything no matter how despicable to generate profits but I can tell you just from one user's viewpoint the practice is off putting and likely to lose them more sales than it gains.
Don't get me wrong, i also find it a bit ridiculous to take $29, and list a "normal" price or $329, but, i take it for what it is, and, it also makes me rather shake my head that people get triggered by that. Sort of a chicken/egg kind of thing. They wouldn't do it if there weren't people who are happy to pay less than 1/10.
- KVRAF
- 5756 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
It’s also software, an intangible good. I doubt they could make a case proving that the value has been inflated illegally. At least, anyone selling intellectual property such as software better hope so.
- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
I'm shaking my head at why what I think about PA and their douche baggery triggered you.
We call them "Marks" here in Vegas. Other places they are called "suckers".
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- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
It's not necessarily legal in the US, the FTC has guidelines around it, but seldom ever enforces them, usually relying on the states or consumers to file suit. This article did a decent job getting into it:
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consum ... ys-n366676
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consum ... ys-n366676
- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
The key word in that article is "trick". If you base your business model on "tricking" people then I'll do business with someone else.
Anyway enough of PA's distasteful practices is Hive 2 going to drop today ?
Anyway enough of PA's distasteful practices is Hive 2 going to drop today ?
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
- u-he
- 28065 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
It may be an intangible product, but it is not free of value. Free replication and thus endless supply does not automatically inflate the market to infinite demand. So people likely need to price those goods in relation to the cost of production and maintenance vs. its potential customer base.
Anyhow, I think the rule of thumb for the law I mentioned is 50% in Germany. As long as a product is priced "normal price" 183 days a year, one can mark it down as much as one wants during the rest of the year. But that's just what I think to remember. We don't have the problem, so I don't need to know for sure.
- KVRAF
- 5756 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
Well that's good then, you definitely don't want anyone making legal judgments as to the valueUrs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:35 pmIt may be an intangible product, but it is not free of value. Free replication and thus endless supply does not automatically inflate the market to infinite demand. So people likely need to price those goods in relation to the cost of production and maintenance vs. its potential customer base.
Anyhow, I think the rule of thumb for the law I mentioned is 50% in Germany. As long as a product is priced "normal price" 183 days a year, one can mark it down as much as one wants during the rest of the year. But that's just what I think to remember. We don't have the problem, so I don't need to know for sure.
of software. Your legal system seems a bit more reasonable than ours, I am somewhat envious.
Only somewhat though, as sadly, many of the flaws in my own countries system can be strategically
desirable at times. As horrifying as that sounds...
- KVRAF
- 5486 posts since 15 Dec, 2011 from Bucharest, Romania
Fiedler Audio; but yeah, I get what you mean. That's why I don't take PA as granted and demo each of their offerings.
I understand, I didn't like those either. But try MetricAB, bx_console N, VSC-2, VSM-3 and HG-2.Teksonik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:07 pm It may well be that the other bx plugins are "pretty damn good" but based on bx_rooms and the weak free Rockrack and CleanSweep plugins I see no motivation whatsoever to try any of their other overpriced plugins. Too many other options available, a fact that PA doesn't seem to understand.
The ones I called 'pretty damn good' weren't on sale for $9 or $29 (yet ). They usually have them at $49-69.
(Off-topic end. I won't continue with this.)
- KVRist
- 445 posts since 17 Jul, 2015
Well if any more beta testers are needed I am pretty much ready to never leave my screen once I get my hands on this beast of an update.