Mulab 8:This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

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Deep Purple
KVRian
1108 posts since 9 Jan, 2015 from NY, NY

Post Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:55 pm

That's definitely a huge difference, but I'd love to hear the same sample stretched with other algorithms too so that it can be a comparison between what is available in all DAWs
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sin night
KVRian
1229 posts since 1 Aug, 2006 from Italy

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:08 pm

Those examples are impressive, the difference is clearly noticeable even through the macbook speakers.
I rarely need stretching, but now I'd like to hear a comparison with other algorithms (also at less extreme settings, where the differences may be less noticeable - but still important).

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EvilDragon
KVRAF
17988 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:33 pm

Aloysius wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:53 pm
I think most DAWs use the zplane algorithm. So if this is better than that, then it's better than ''all'' the others.
Digital Performer uses ZTX.

http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2019/ ... tique.html

Trancit
KVRAF
2080 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:54 pm

_al_ wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:25 pm
Thanks Trancit!
You just earned him 99 euros, and found me an awesome sample mangler :tu:
I got a copy for myself too... enjoy :tu:

Trancit
KVRAF
2080 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:00 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:33 pm
Aloysius wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:53 pm
I think most DAWs use the zplane algorithm. So if this is better than that, then it's better than ''all'' the others.
Digital Performer uses ZTX.

http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2019/ ... tique.html
I don´t know ZTX algo´s but for my understanding elastic pro´s are the state of the art and available in nearly every DAW...
MuLab´s timestretch especially for drums for me blows it so much out of the water that they left this universe if you understand what I mean...
My example is of course overdone by far as this isn´t really what you mostly do with drums but I was so fanscinated how it still sounds like hihats and percussion with these extreme settings while the other completely destroyed the original character and transients...

I didn´t tried the pitchshifting till now but from what I´ve seen in the vid it sounds great too

Grodada
KVRist
57 posts since 4 Sep, 2011 from france

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:26 am

for me ircam labTS sounds better but mulab 8 has a daw fonction.

tooneba
KVRian
1062 posts since 6 Nov, 2012

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:33 am

Logic, reason and bitwig are using different stretch algo iirc.

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KVRAF
3680 posts since 8 Mar, 2006

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:39 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:33 pm
Aloysius wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:53 pm
I think most DAWs use the zplane algorithm. So if this is better than that, then it's better than ''all'' the others.
Digital Performer uses ZTX.

http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2019/ ... tique.html
What about Reason? I remember it's stretching algo was very good (above most IIRC)

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KVRAF
3680 posts since 8 Mar, 2006

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:42 am

wow, impressive indeed! :o
I really, really hope they'll license this so we can use it in other DAWs... would love to use it in Reaper! :love:

Trancit
KVRAF
2080 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:36 am

tooneba wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:33 am
Logic, reason and bitwig are using different stretch algo iirc.
- Logic... I don´t know
- Bitwig has recently licensed the elastic pros as their own ones sound shitty and are just suitable for experimental stuff
- Reason has their home made one, which isn´t bad neither... but on drums no comparison to the Mulab one...

No_Use
KVRAF
2352 posts since 13 Mar, 2004

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:54 am

Aloysius wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:53 pm
I think most DAWs use the zplane algorithm. So if this is better than that, then it's better than ''all'' the others.
Reaper has Rubber Band implemented (amongst others) which is also said to be quite good.
A comparison with the new Mulab algo could be interesting.

Trancit
KVRAF
2080 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:01 am

No_Use wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:54 am
Reaper has Rubber Band implemented (amongst others) which is also said to be quite good.
A comparison with the new Mulab algo could be interesting.
Forget it at least for drums... it´s ten time worse than elastic pro... it preserves the first transient and smears all the rest... and this with settings "Transient > Crisp"

No_Use
KVRAF
2352 posts since 13 Mar, 2004

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:35 am

Trancit wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:01 am
No_Use wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:54 am
Reaper has Rubber Band implemented (amongst others) which is also said to be quite good.
A comparison with the new Mulab algo could be interesting.
Forget it at least for drums... it´s ten time worse than elastic pro... it preserves the first transient and smears all the rest... and this with settings "Transient > Crisp"
Hm, if it was total crap I think Justin (Reaper dev) wouldn't have spent the license fee to implement it. :P
But I'll compare myself at some point (just no time currently...)

Trancit
KVRAF
2080 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:20 am

No_Use wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:35 am
Hm, if it was total crap I think Justin (Reaper dev) wouldn't have spent the license fee to implement it. :P
But I'll compare myself at some point (just no time currently...)
As I said... for drums it´s far worse but perhaps good on other stuff... don´t know...

Psuper
KVRist
188 posts since 3 May, 2018

Re: This is by far the best timestretch algo of all DAWs!!!

Post Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:42 am

I rarely use timestretch, however I agree Mulab has something special -- there's nothing out there like it that I've heard.

I'm buying the DAW for that alone, for half the price of some outdated sample library or janky plugin, I'll get another DAW to play with and focus my time-stretch efforts there.
Reason needs to DAW: Props develop the back-end, SDK, performance, options, GUI (no one else can). RE devs develop the now-expanding playground, we choose the rides. If Props insists on making devices, put them in the RE shop. All problems solved.

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