Super 8 - New polysynth by Native Instruments

[EvilDragon]

Even on a component level.

[vurt]

that's cool then
id never really thought about it till he mentioned it.

[AnX]

if you can access the guts in reaktor full, and allegedly change stuff, whats to stop anyone resaving an edited version and giving it away for free?

apologies if thats a stupid question, i dont have any experience with reaktor

allegedly change stuff
i don't think anyone will sue if you say you can change stuff, you can

what i mean is, i dont actually know what if anything you can change.

can you add 6 lfo's and change the gui.... which is what i was referring to with "edit and resave"

[zerocrossing]

You have to know the strengths and weakness of your VST plugins, than it's not really necessary to have a minimal setup.

I also separate between my standard synth plugins that i use regularly to make music (that's not many), and synth plugins that i use for inspiration, sound experiments, or for personal pleasure....

Those are good points. I guess I’m of the mind that when I want a simple synth that sounds fantastic, I’ll usually turn to hardware. I guess “simple synth” is subjective, though. Still, I’ve got an analog poly that’s on par with Super 8, and bests it with a few features that are important to me.

But then there’s the inspiration/pleasure category. I’ve been known to buy a plugin just to spend a few days playing with it. I put the expense in the same box I put going out to dinner or a movie. I may get Super 8 just for one of those times when I’ve got some free time and feel like a change of pace. It’s just that Super 8 came out during my birthday budget drop, and I’m deep into a Peak.

That's one hell of an expensive movie, hahah

You sound like someone who doesn’t have a family to bring!

[realtrance]

Just noticed , no legato ..envelope always retriggers in mono mode
...that's a pitty

I'm not very familiar with NI philosophy. Do they implement new features along a synth lifespan?

If you have Reaktor 6 you can add whatever features you want to S8.

Sure, but that’s not quite a drag and drop type of thing, as previous experience trying to mess with Monark showed me. It’s the difference between buying a car with a factory installed collision avoidance system and installing your own. Possible? Sure, but that’s not like hanging fuzzy dice from your rear view. If someone in the know made a version of Super 8 that had an additional LFO, EG, Filter and Polyphonic Aftertouch abilities, I’d be on it, but I don’t really feel like spending the time to figure out and do that myself, when I already have options with those things on board.

As someone who's been using Reaktor since it was Generator, and who's spent time with Reaktor Core and memorizes the Core manual for fun, none of the above that you mention seems spectacularly difficult.

Probably wouldn't even have to touch Core to do it.

One of the many amazing things about Reaktor.

[EvilDragon]

Actually most of Super 8 is done in Core, so you'd definitely have to touch it to add modulators to the system...

[EvilDragon]

Also zerocrossing - you can definitely use the pitch mod envelope via the mod routing system. It's in the list of available modulators... So you have 2 ADSRs and 1 AD here.

[gentleclockdivider]

Synths like monark and super 8 are nearly impossible to make with just the primary modules , talking about the modelled filters and oscilators .
Reaktor core is the way to make zdf filters etc or anything from this calibre .. ( see the fantastic zdf filter kit macro's) .
And there's a reason why we don't see a lot full blown analogue modelled poly's in reaktor core , because a polyphonic core cell is pretty cpu intensive , so kudos to N.I for pulling this of
Just like Monark , super 8 is a prime example that reaktor core is perfectly able to deliver authentic emulations ( in this case a bastard emulation )

[mholloway]

Just noticed , no legato ..envelope always retriggers in mono mode
...that's a pitty

Yeah, this is the one big bummer about this otherwise great synth. I have zero idea how to "just go and change it in reaktor," so that's not a helpful response. I think Super-8 sounds fantastic, and I'm also one of those who greatly enjoys "straight forward" synths and don't need pretend-cutting-edge bells and whistles to sell me on something. TAL U-No-LX is one of my absolute favorite plugin synths of all time: it looks great, sounds great (the filter is a Juno dream, imho), and as "simple" as it (or a Juno 60) is, I'm still able to put it to effective use on a regular basis without getting tired of it. So in a similar, albeit deeper manner, Super-8 holds a lot of potential for me. The lack of Mono Legato is definitely a bummer thought, as I create a lot of bass patches that only 'work' in mono legato mode.

[chk071]

Maybe they'll consider adding it.

[zerocrossing]

Also zerocrossing - you can definitely use the pitch mod envelope via the mod routing system. It's in the list of available modulators... So you have 2 ADSRs and 1 AD here.

Oh nice. Well, make me a version that’s got Polyphonic Aftertouch and I’ll buy it and tell NI that you’re the best.

[ENV1]

How else could the plugin even function? How could it process sound and display an UI?

the same way any other vst does?

Is any other plugin made with SE?

i really dont understand what you are trying to say, so lets just agree that im too stupid and you win.

This has nothing to do with stupidity or winning.

Its about thinking.

Just ask yourself this:

Would a Reaktor Ensemble work without Reaktor?

Would your DAW project work without the DAW?

Would a gallon of gas and the wish to get from A to B get you there without a car turning the fuel into motion?

Of course not. When you save a Reaktor Ensemble all you have is a savefile. When you save your DAW project all you have is a savefile. You therefore need Reaktor/DAW to do something with the savefile or the whole thing will be a mighty silent affair.

SE, same thing. You create your project, (synth/effect/whatever), you save the project, you have a savefile. Now you have 2 options what to do with it. You can either load the savefile back into SE, which will then re-load your project so you can use it or further edit it. OR, you can export the whole thing into a VST DLL, in which case your SE project will be contained in the DLL so you can use your SE project as a plugin in a host of your choosing. That simple.

And that is why saying SE is not needed is incorrect. Unlike Reaktor you dont need to have SE installed as a separate application when you have an exported VST DLL, but that is only because SE is contained in the DLL.

[Sinisterbr]

Just noticed , no legato ..envelope always retriggers in mono mode
...that's a pitty

Yeah, this is the one big bummer about this otherwise great synth. I have zero idea how to "just go and change it in reaktor," so that's not a helpful response. I think Super-8 sounds fantastic, and I'm also one of those who greatly enjoys "straight forward" synths and don't need pretend-cutting-edge bells and whistles to sell me on something. TAL U-No-LX is one of my absolute favorite plugin synths of all time: it looks great, sounds great (the filter is a Juno dream, imho), and as "simple" as it (or a Juno 60) is, I'm still able to put it to effective use on a regular basis without getting tired of it. So in a similar, albeit deeper manner, Super-8 holds a lot of potential for me. The lack of Mono Legato is definitely a bummer thought, as I create a lot of bass patches that only 'work' in mono legato mode.

I suppose you also tried TAL-Mod.. God, what an amazing synth. It's got an almost perfect score considering sound quality/ GUI/ price for me.

[wagtunes]

How else could the plugin even function? How could it process sound and display an UI?

the same way any other vst does?

Is any other plugin made with SE?

i really dont understand what you are trying to say, so lets just agree that im too stupid and you win.

This has nothing to do with stupidity or winning.

Its about thinking.

Just ask yourself this:

Would a Reaktor Ensemble work without Reaktor?

Would your DAW project work without the DAW?

Would a gallon of gas and the wish to get from A to B get you there without a car turning the fuel into motion?

Of course not. When you save a Reaktor Ensemble all you have is a savefile. When you save your DAW project all you have is a savefile. You therefore need Reaktor/DAW to do something with the savefile or the whole thing will be a mighty silent affair.

SE, same thing. You create your project, (synth/effect/whatever), you save the project, you have a savefile. Now you have 2 options what to do with it. You can either load the savefile back into SE, which will then re-load your project so you can use it or further edit it. OR, you can export the whole thing into a VST DLL, in which case your SE project will be contained in the DLL so you can use your SE project as a plugin in a host of your choosing. That simple.

And that is why saying SE is not needed is incorrect. Unlike Reaktor you dont need to have SE installed as a separate application when you have an exported VST DLL, but that is only because SE is contained in the DLL.

Using that same logic, any VST dll made with C++ means that I have C++ when I load a C++ created dll into my DAW. Except I don't have C++. I can't create my own C++ project. I can only use dlls that were created with C++.

However, with Reaktor (at least with the full version) I can take the ensemble created by Reaktor and I can modify it as much as I like.

So comparing a dll made with SynthEdit to a Reaktor Ensemble is just not accurate. They are not the same thing.

But by all means, try to take your SynthEdit dll and turn it into something else without having the original source code and the actual SynthEdit program.

Let me know how you make out.

TLDR - Having a SynthEdit dll loaded into your DAW is no different in practice from loading Diva into your dll. They are both 1 step loads whereas a Reaktor Ensemble is a 2 step load (Reaktor plus Ensemble)

[realtrance]

Actually most of Super 8 is done in Core, so you'd definitely have to touch it to add modulators to the system...

Ah, cool... so yes, editing/adding capabilities isn’t as easy as I was thinking.

It must have taken quite some effort to optimize and get eight voices out of, then!