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dmbaer wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 9:06 pm
plexuss wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 8:40 pm I don't really like fiddling around with lots of parameters. I tend to want to put my attention to the over-all music and sound than delving into a deep UI.
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I consider Melda to more on the "engineering" side of the equation than on the "usability" side. The problem is Vjotech thinks he's on the usability side. So, nothing will get better soon. It is what it is... :party: :phones:
You are not the target customer for MSF at this point. But in time you may certainly be as well. There will be a very inexpensive LE version which will run sophisticated devices created by individuals who are well-versed in Melda architecture.... [ snip]
You know, I am going to disagree with you on this. I just spent some time working with MSF. As background, I've tried numerous times to fire up MPS to work with it and fairly quickly get bogged down with the workflow. But, I gave MSF a chance because I could see it was quite different in terms of workflow.

Sure enough... it is! I was able to quickly twist a factory patch to my liking, adding a couple extra sound elements including samples from MDrummer, add modifiers and effects and very quickly get something complex but nice sounding.

This is WAY further than I've been able to get with MPS! And I didn't touch modulation or multiparameters or ... all the other Melda junk. :tu:

I am thinking that FINALLY Melda came up with something easy to use. I guess it was probably the only way to bring this level of complexiting into the Melda framework - using their panel based approach would have been even worse than MPS.

So, even though I am highly critical of Melda's UI and workflow, I have to say so far I am surprised and impressed with MSF and I don't think that idea that you have to be a Meldaian to use MSF effectively applies. :phones:


Oh. And... calm down people.
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wagtunes wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:29 pm
rlared wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:23 pm
DocSnyder wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:16 pm
rlared wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:08 pm
DocSnyder wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 9:57 pm
enCiphered wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 9:52 pm You both know that this is the beta stage, right? :roll:
You know those are not small beta bugs but basic design flaws, right? :roll:
You know stuff like that is meant when people say no thanks to their ui, right? :roll:
So you already know you don't like the UI of Melda, try a demo beta version of their product, find a bug, then come on KVR and talk shit about Melda. . . :clap:
Like others in this thread I gave this plugin a try, even if I had an opinion about them before :tu: This is not a bug but a design decision...
Yeah I mean I get that you don't like the design of the FM section and I don't disagree with you. But it's an extremely complex synth that was just released in beta yesterday. And it's released by Melda, who has the same exact interface on every single plugin they release. So what are you getting out of jumping into this thread and posting criticisms of Melda?
So only people who love Melda are allowed to be here?

I have 4 Melda plugins and will probably be getting MSF. But their GUI design is a train wreck. You either learn to love it or, at least, tolerate it and use it or you don't get Melda stuff. It's that simple.

Believe me, as a Melda user, I can absolutely understand people hating their design. And the fact that MSF is in beta has nothing to do with how bad their design is from a usability standpoint. Version 4 of this synth (if it ever gets to that) won't be any better designed than this one is.

I've come to accept that and overlook it because I want the power that their products provide. MTurboReverb and MTurboDelay are my favorite reverbs and delays.

Not because their GUIs make me feel all warm and fuzzy.
I can understand people hating their design, or any other design for that matter. It's totally subjective. But if you have used their products before then you know what to expect. So I don't understand downloading a beta version of their synth knowing that you already don't like the design, verifying that you still don't like its design, then coming on KVR and saying Melda has flawed designs and that's why people don't like them.

The developers of these products are people and this is their passion and livelihood. I just put myself in their shoes sometimes and it rubs me the wrong way when people just piss all over their work for no reason.

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DocSnyder wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:34 pm
JunSev wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:26 pm So what's the problem? you don't like the gui, ok, then you could say something to Melda about what you think if you have better ideas in mind. Or do you have something more personal against him or people that likes the products from him?

Don't get me wrong, if people like to express themselves I guess is a right that is respected, but when the attitude of some of those individuals seems semi trolling, or bashing or with some unknown motives behind I don't know what to think, has ocurred before with some Melda threads. This is a powerful synth and is in beta (still not the entire package), you don't like it, other people love it, fair enough.
I get you're a fangirl. Earlier in this thread you already tried that same thing on someone else. Shame on you. And please don't try to turn it like everyone disagreeing with you is suddenly a hater, troll or whatever.
Not a fan girl, I just can see this disgusting attitude about bashing the developer or a company just because you don't like the plug-in and instead to use constructive criticism (that would be more helpful), some people try to diminish, discredit, create even false account and more things like this with the unique porpoise to attack.

You have to understand there is a reason for my reaction, I have seen how some companies and developers can barely make presence here because of people like that, I don't need to insult you, I'm telling you what it is.

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JunSev wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:42 pm
DocSnyder wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:34 pm
JunSev wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:26 pm So what's the problem? you don't like the gui, ok, then you could say something to Melda about what you think if you have better ideas in mind. Or do you have something more personal against him or people that likes the products from him?

Don't get me wrong, if people like to express themselves I guess is a right that is respected, but when the attitude of some of those individuals seems semi trolling, or bashing or with some unknown motives behind I don't know what to think, has ocurred before with some Melda threads. This is a powerful synth and is in beta (still not the entire package), you don't like it, other people love it, fair enough.
I get you're a fangirl. Earlier in this thread you already tried that same thing on someone else. Shame on you. And please don't try to turn it like everyone disagreeing with you is suddenly a hater, troll or whatever.
Not a fan girl, I just can see this disgusting attitude about bashing the developer or a company just because you don't like the plug-in and instead to use constructive criticism (that would be more helpful), some people try to diminish, discredit, create even false account and more things like this with the unique porpoise to attack.

You have to understand there is a reason for my reaction, I have seen how some companies and developers can barely make presence here because of people like that, I don't need to insult you, I'm telling you what it is.
Yes, finally someone else who gets it! You rock!

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You could just have opened this plugin and write something good about it. If I find something (yes I'm not done testing yet) I'll write it too, positive or negative. That's it. You don't like it then please put me on your ignore list, I don't see a problem :hug: But there were 2 guys that found the same problem and suddenly some of you try to make the big deal out of it... I'll better not ask about your motiviation or relation to the company :D

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gentleclockdivider wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 9:33 pm bu I challenge anyone to create a 6 operator patch with the fm block
Generally speaking, how about:

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Funny enough, I find the Melda design quite good. And I have to do extra work since I'm using Bitwig on Linux, like minimizing and bringing it back to reflect UI changes, just a few clicks, and still find it pretty good. Parameters are easily accessible.

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mevla wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:57 pm
gentleclockdivider wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 9:33 pm bu I challenge anyone to create a 6 operator patch with the fm block
Generally speaking, how about:


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We're talking melda here and you come up with sytrus
You're a genius :clap:
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The wavetable is pretty ace
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I'm gonna go for it , there is too much good stuff going on :tu:
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gentleclockdivider wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 11:14 pm We're talking melda here and you come up with sytrus You're a genius :clap:
Thanks ! This is why I prefaced with generally speaking.

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SJW alarm in here :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyone managed to get the 6out version to work? It only produced a stereo out here.

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I was ready to purchase the SoundFactory € 99 and use up my € 20 credit and get it for € 79. To my surprise I had already used it up. Apparently my memory failed me! So now what do I do? Are there any discount codes floating around?

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mevla wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 11:26 pm
gentleclockdivider wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 11:14 pm We're talking melda here and you come up with sytrus You're a genius :clap:
Thanks ! This is why I prefaced with generally speaking.
HSum wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 11:29 pm SJW alarm in here :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyone managed to get the 6out version to work? It only produced a stereo out here.
Gonna be honest, I have no idea what either of you are on about.
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HSum wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 11:29 pm SJW alarm in here :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyone managed to get the 6out version to work? It only produced a stereo out here.
Same here. In Bitwig only the stereo outs are working. The others do not show up. And I get all 16 channels from MDrummer.

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mevla wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 11:34 pm
HSum wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 11:29 pm SJW alarm in here :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyone managed to get the 6out version to work? It only produced a stereo out here.
Same here. In Bitwig only the stereo outs are working. The others do not show up. And I get all 16 channels from MDrummer.
Thx for your confirmation! I thought I had to setup some hidden setting :lol:

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