Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[Harry_HH]

Thank you Fleer and dzilizzi.
BTW, do you get convincing "I'm Walrus" sound out of Hohner Pianet N?

[dzilizzi]

Yeah, dzilizzi, Reverb had a very cheap Pianoteq Hohner Collection on sale last week, for around 10 bucks. But they come and go fast.

That is probably the only one I don't want. LOL! I never use the EP's I have. Except my Broken Wurli. Because it is cool.

[Fleer]

@dzillizzi: so true, Broken Wurli and EP 73 Deconstructed are still very good.
Harry, you can get pretty close. Have a listen to the Pianet N sound snippets at the Pianoteq site: https://www.pianoteq.com/hohner_collection

[Harry_HH]

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Harry, you can get pretty close. Have a listen to the Pianet N sound snippets at the Pianoteq site: https://www.pianoteq.com/hohner_collection

"Trossingen" of the sound samples goes nearest, but as we all know, Walrus Pianet N sound is very special.
We don't know how much the Walrus electric piano sound was treated in the production. Obviously quite a lot, among others distortion.

BTW, that's the reason why many think its a Wurli. But it was the Pianet N.

This all makes me thinking, that when we "sound hunters" are trying to reproduce a sound by using the same instruments than the original is, the end result is often a disappointment. Namely - the role of the production plays bigger role, than we expect.

Conclusion: maybe we should stop trying purchase "original" instruments, but more just very good, quality "archetype" instrument/sounds, and the use the production to get target.

[Fleer]

And in the end, who knows, make some music

[BBFG#]

The Pianoteq demo has all libraries except the free ones included in it. The limitation is a few black keys in the left hand are silent. Download it and play in C, Amin, etc. Should be enough to decide what you feel is right for you.

[ChamomileShark]

not sure if there would be common agreement..what I hear in the demos within Stage is the reason why there is no "one" classical grand piano but several. You get to choose 2 to start with and I chose the classical pack, Steinway D and their own made up piano K2. For the grands I favour the Bluthner but that's because I like it's tone.

Personally I'm less drawn to the electric pianos, partly because I think I have those covered elsewhere and I use them less.

[Uncle E]

This all makes me thinking, that when we "sound hunters" are trying to reproduce a sound by using the same instruments than the original is, the end result is often a disappointment. Namely - the role of the production plays bigger role, than we expect.

Conclusion: maybe we should stop trying purchase "original" instruments, but more just very good, quality "archetype" instrument/sounds, and the use the production to get target.

I'm in the middle of a sample library of keyboards that have been processed to sound like the final products. For example, we sampled my Rhodes 73 and then made around 50 patches featuring various effects, saturation, EQ'ing, etc. The processing is applied to the actual samples, not in the sampler.

[Fleer]

Go, Uncle

[Harry_HH]

I'm not talking about samples, or sampling techniques.
I'm talking about sounds.
Instruments, space, effects, mixing process etc.

E. g. in the case "looking for sound like electric piano in Walrus" - in stead of buying the Hohner Pianet N, take almost any electric piano, search convinient source sound out of it, and start Eqing, compressing, distorting, reverbing, or whatever needed, until you get your target sound.
Sometimes this may be easier, than starting with the original reference instrument, which is near the target, but not quite.

Of course most sample libraries include more or less processed sounds, in addition the dry ones.

This doesn't mean that I don't love vintage instruments, on the contrary. But sometimes I smell smoke, when some developer sells big dollar this and that, e. g. some specific amp+cabinet modellings. Then you put your guitar through that modelling plugin, mix your take, and in the final master you can't hear any difference, if that amp/cab was Fender or Marshall, Black or Orange, Apple or Banana.

[Uncle E]

E. g. in the case "looking for sound like electric piano in Walrus" - in stead of buying the Hohner Pianet N, take almost any electric piano, search convinient source sound out of it, and start Eqing, compressing, distorting, reverbing, or whatever needed, until you get your target sound.
Sometimes this may be easier, than starting with the original reference instrument, which is near the target, but not quite.

All great points! Both ways are valid, I love tweaking sounds but I also get inspiration from sounds that I probably would never make on my own. Then when you combine or layer something you have created on your own with a preset, you can sometimes get the best of both worlds.

This doesn't mean that I don't love vintage instruments, on the contrary. But sometimes I smell smoke, when some developer sells big dollar this and that, e. g. some specific amp+cabinet modellings. Then you put your guitar through that modelling plugin, mix your take, and in the final master you can't hear any difference, if that amp/cab was Fender or Marshall, Black or Orange, Apple or Banana.

The Axe FX is a good example of something that is made to sound like a finished, fully mixed product. I actually found it to be a bit odd because it's a very different experience from standing in front of a real amp. Again, though, it got me to use sounds that I would never make on my own so I have to give it props for that.

[D.Wako]

Yeah, dzilizzi, Reverb had a very cheap Pianoteq Hohner Collection on sale last week, for around 10 bucks. But they come and go fast.

Still there. Too bad you need Pianoteq cause i would buy this one i think.

https://reverb.com/software/instruments ... s-pianoteq

[yellowmix]

My motivation for the Pianoteq is versatility and variety of sounds.
Several specialities in the library, e.g. Hohner Pianolas.

I like the Steelpans. A lot more flexible than samples, and a good variety of similar instruments.

[yellowmix]

Is there a common agreement of the "must have" Pianoteq instruments?

Also, if you have Pianoteq, you can demo their entire catalog directly within the plugin so you can decide for yourself.

[Harry_HH]

Yeah, dzilizzi, Reverb had a very cheap Pianoteq Hohner Collection on sale last week, for around 10 bucks. But they come and go fast.

Still there. Too bad you need Pianoteq cause i would buy this one i think.

https://reverb.com/software/instruments ... s-pianoteq

No, its not. Gives the same "This listing is no longer accepting offers" as earlier.