FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

[zamrate]

I am still not convinced by the transistor bass
I think there is a reason ( I could be wrong ) why the demo video does not show a lot of consecutive accented , octave up/down steps .
Now matter how hard I try , it sounds static
Sure , the transistor bass parameters scaling is different , but tweaking the hell out of it still doesn't get it close ( adjusting hp on square , gate length and minimum decay )
IN abl3 you can hear that typical TWoink sound , which seems to be absent in transistor bass
If anyone can nail the sound , I''ll buy you a beer
First 4 bars is abl3 , next 4 is transistor bass
https://app.box.com/s/ll6yrm2a3dwjltfjatlbj2ap21xntvgs

Your last note should have been a C6 in Transistor Bass but was a C5.
I made a demo FLP for you with an additional WAV for comparison.

[JunSev]

Is there a way to get rid of the legacy (32bit only) plugins? I don't remember which they were and they pop up back again with every update I install.

Some "disable legacy plugs" option, instead of manually deleting them every time?

Next major release we will have separate 32 and 64 Bit installers (hopefully).

Great! Looking forward to it

I am still not convinced by the transistor bass ...
First 4 bars is abl3 , next 4 is transistor bass

Just a moment. Are you really comparing Transistor Bass to ABL3?

Transistor Bass emulates (almost exactly) a real TB303. As shown in the video.

I am not sure what I can say here other than to do the comparison against the gold standard, not another emulation.

Well.. ABL3 is THE 303 emulation so..

But so what? The IL emulation is trying to emulate exactly the original hardware machine, is not trying to emulate another emulation VST.

That was what I just explained before but knowing "gentleclokdivider?" from past threads, he has to find something negative to say. No matter what.

Here is the video again the original vs the IL version:

[Reefius]

That video from IL clearly shows knobs at completely different positions between Transistor Bass and the real 303, but generating the same sound. This makes the whole video kinda pointless.

Transistor Bass definitely does have the 303 sound, but the controls are way off compared to a real 303. I don't own a TB-303 (unfortunately), but I performed a similar test with Transistor Bass, ABL3 and the Roland Cloud TB-303 plugin. With all knobs at the same position, ABL3 and the Roland were sounding quite similar, while Transistor Bass sounded completely different. This was with all effects off on all plugins and any extra settings at default values.

[gentleclockdivider]

I am still not convinced by the transistor bass ...
First 4 bars is abl3 , next 4 is transistor bass

Just a moment. Are you really comparing Transistor Bass to ABL3?

Transistor Bass emulates (almost exactly) a real TB303. As shown in the video.

I am not sure what I can say here other than to do the comparison against the gold standard, not another emulation.

When it comes to emualtions , Abl3 is considered the gold standard , and not just by me
Watch the x-fade in th bottom right corner ( x-fading between abl3 and a tb 303)

[gentleclockdivider]

Is there a way to get rid of the legacy (32bit only) plugins? I don't remember which they were and they pop up back again with every update I install.

Some "disable legacy plugs" option, instead of manually deleting them every time?

Next major release we will have separate 32 and 64 Bit installers (hopefully).

Great! Looking forward to it

I am still not convinced by the transistor bass ...
First 4 bars is abl3 , next 4 is transistor bass

Just a moment. Are you really comparing Transistor Bass to ABL3?

Transistor Bass emulates (almost exactly) a real TB303. As shown in the video.

I am not sure what I can say here other than to do the comparison against the gold standard, not another emulation.

Well.. ABL3 is THE 303 emulation so..

But so what? The IL emulation is trying to emulate exactly the original hardware machine, is not trying to emulate another emulation VST.

That was what I just explained before but knowing "gentleclokdivider?" from past threads, he has to find something negative to say. No matter what.

Here is the video again the original vs the IL version:

Dude , I have better things to do that just being negative for the sake of it , believe it or not
I had problems with melda msf filters , you are the one that are making a big deal out of it

Be it in the melda thread or any other one , you don't have to agree with what I say , the next thing you will do is probably reporting to the moderators .

[JunSev]

Is there a way to get rid of the legacy (32bit only) plugins? I don't remember which they were and they pop up back again with every update I install.

Some "disable legacy plugs" option, instead of manually deleting them every time?

Next major release we will have separate 32 and 64 Bit installers (hopefully).

Great! Looking forward to it

I am still not convinced by the transistor bass ...
First 4 bars is abl3 , next 4 is transistor bass

Just a moment. Are you really comparing Transistor Bass to ABL3?

Transistor Bass emulates (almost exactly) a real TB303. As shown in the video.

I am not sure what I can say here other than to do the comparison against the gold standard, not another emulation.

Well.. ABL3 is THE 303 emulation so..

But so what? The IL emulation is trying to emulate exactly the original hardware machine, is not trying to emulate another emulation VST.

That was what I just explained before but knowing "gentleclokdivider?" from past threads, he has to find something negative to say. No matter what.

Here is the video again the original vs the IL version:

Dude , I have better things to do that just being negative for the sake of it , believe it or not
I had problems with melda msf filters , you are the one that are making a big deal out of it

Be it in the melda thread or any other one , you don't have to agree with what I say , the next thing you will do is probably reporting to the moderators .

No, the discussion we had about MSoundFactory wasn't because of the filters, I never said is not true or that something sounds really different on it, it was because of your unnecessary resolution, exaggerations and nothing helpful at all opinions saying that MSF can't sound analog just because the filters are not analog modeling or was the main goal of it.

Why will I report you? I'm not opposed to different opinions, I'm really against baseless opinions defended by people with other intentionality and factors that has been proved not true at all or cherry picking only what they want without seeing the big picture of everything, keep that on mind, is no my fault the issue about (your friend?) ictools, maybe he would return again.

Prett pathetic that ic tools got banned , Guess I already know who reported him

[gentleclockdivider]

I was under the impression that ictools was a new member that got banned pretty fast , I had no idea he had multpile accounts and had a history of trolling
To be honoust , I don't keep up with the kvr soap opera

[Image-Line]

That video from IL clearly shows knobs at completely different positions between Transistor Bass and the real 303, but generating the same sound. This makes the whole video kinda pointless.

We didn't emulate the scaling of the knobs and positions. We didn't make a copy of the UI or design. We emulated the sound.

The dismissal of the audio demonstration in the video as "pointless", based on knob positions not being equivalent, seems a little bizarre. What's your reasoning?

[Image-Line]

If anyone can nail the sound , I''ll buy you a beer
First 4 bars is abl3 , next 4 is transistor bass

Your last note should have been a C6 in Transistor Bass but was a C5.
I made a demo FLP for you with an additional WAV for comparison.

Beer owed?

[Reefius]

That video from IL clearly shows knobs at completely different positions between Transistor Bass and the real 303, but generating the same sound. This makes the whole video kinda pointless.

We didn't emulate the scaling of the knobs and positions. We didn't make a copy of the UI or design. We emulated the sound.

The dismissal of the audio demonstration in the video as "pointless", based on knob positions not being equivalent, seems a little bizarre. What's your reasoning?

My point is that just emulating the sound isn't enough for a 303. A 303 bassline, and especially acid, is about turning the knobs while it's playing.
Because the knob positions and scaling are off it will just not sound like the real thing.

[Image-Line]

My point is that just emulating the sound isn't enough for a 303. A 303 bassline, and especially acid, is about turning the knobs while it's playing.
Because the knob positions and scaling are off it will just not sound like the real thing.

All synthesisists turn knobs until they get the sound they want. They are not turning them to a specific position. If they are, it's a position learned through practice with the instrument to achieve the sound they want.

If your argument applies to any real world case, then it's for someone used to handling a real TB-303 who is using the plugin linked to a MIDI controller, with the same physical layout as a real TB-303. And only then, for a short time while they re-calibrate their own muscle memory.

Is this really what you are arguing - That this specific case invalidates Transistor Bass as a valid emulation of the sound of a TB-303, in plugin format, in any DAW?

[Reefius]

In my opinion, a proper emulation of any synth needs to have the sounds aswell as the feel.

[Image-Line]

In my opinion, a proper emulation of any synth needs to have the sounds aswell as the feel.

A VST plugin with "feel"?

You realize any two TB-303's are not exactly alike in this respect? Certainly not the ones we have measured.

Also, the potentiometer ranges of the TB-303 are anything but good, and the (tiny, cheap and crowded) knobs awkward to use.

[aMUSEd]

When are Harmor, Sytrus and Edison coming to Mac?

Or any of the Win only plugins?

OK I get the impression this is a question being avoided, are there no longer plans to port the plugins to Mac as well as FL itself?

[Reefius]

In my opinion, a proper emulation of any synth needs to have the sounds aswell as the feel.

A VST plugin with "feel"?

You realize any two TB-303's are not exactly alike in this respect? Certainly not the ones we have measured.

Also, the potentiometer ranges of the TB-303 are anything but good, and the (tiny, cheap and crowded) knobs awkward to use.

I always use a Korg NanoKontrol2 in combination with a 303 emulation, just because of the tiny knobs
So yes it's quite possible to also emulate the feel of a 303.

All of the imperfections and awkwardness are part of the magic of a 303, it's not just the sound. If you don't understand that then you can never create a proper emulation.