Why you left VSTs?
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 527 posts since 26 Jan, 2020
Warmth?
You need to touch something?
Fan of fan noise?
You need to touch something?
Fan of fan noise?
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those which can finish a tune, and those which has 300 two-bar loops.
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- addled muppet weed
- 106326 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRian
- 717 posts since 23 Dec, 2011
Because I finally got back to a place in life where I could once again had space for, and could afford hardware synths. TBH... I haven't 'left' VST/AUs.. I was giving them a rest.
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jacqueslacouth jacqueslacouth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48379
- KVRian
- 1149 posts since 18 Nov, 2004
I wouldn't say I have left them completely, but I have definitely stopped spending good money on them.
I guess, at least in part, the reason for this is the frustration of not always knowing that they are going to continue to work after buying them (an in all fairness, the vast majority do continue to work fine). But examples such as refx, camel audio, and Linplug who just pull the pin on products altogether, developers who change the playing field in their licensing/authorisation/anti-piracy methods such as Kelliworth, refx (again), Disco DSP, the increasing trend towards subscription models (Netflix and Spotify are enough) AND all of the above, it just tends to be a less and less inviting prospect to spend my money on.
On the other hand, whilst there are a few cases of needed repairs, my hardware instruments have continued to work without issue exactly as intended for decades...I guess I am a bit of a fossil and something of a ludite, but I really appreciate things that at most, require to push an "on" button to make them work.
Oh yes, I forgot to mention the never ending battle to keep things compatible with OS upgrades.
I guess, at least in part, the reason for this is the frustration of not always knowing that they are going to continue to work after buying them (an in all fairness, the vast majority do continue to work fine). But examples such as refx, camel audio, and Linplug who just pull the pin on products altogether, developers who change the playing field in their licensing/authorisation/anti-piracy methods such as Kelliworth, refx (again), Disco DSP, the increasing trend towards subscription models (Netflix and Spotify are enough) AND all of the above, it just tends to be a less and less inviting prospect to spend my money on.
On the other hand, whilst there are a few cases of needed repairs, my hardware instruments have continued to work without issue exactly as intended for decades...I guess I am a bit of a fossil and something of a ludite, but I really appreciate things that at most, require to push an "on" button to make them work.
Oh yes, I forgot to mention the never ending battle to keep things compatible with OS upgrades.
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- KVRAF
- 5824 posts since 9 Jul, 2002 from Helsinki
Guess I just enjoy playing instruments. I still use Reaktor and Aalto, but at some point they will be replaced with hardware as well.
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- addled muppet weed
- 106326 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
using hardware is very much like making love to a beautiful woman but the occasional "cyber sex" session can be fun too.
- KVRAF
- 7425 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
There actually have been a few times when I've attached a contact mic to a desk fan, or sampled a laptop fan with a portable recorder.
Anyway...
Early in 2016 my MIDI controller died, and on a whim I bought a Microbrute to replace it -- both as MIDI controller and for its own synth sounds. I fell in love with it. I tried a few desktop synths and eBay finds and nothing else really grabbed me.
Then in October was Luftrum's charity auction, and Mutable Instruments donated some Eurorack modules. I started looking into that, and wound up winning a module and buying two others "to expand the Microbrute." I discovered I really liked working with Eurorack because it's a very wide open, anything-goes sort of world compared to the relative restrictions of MIDI and VST instruments and the types of synthesis represented there.
Last year I added a Lyra-8, which is another awesome, hands-on instrument that is like nothing that exists in software.
- KVRAF
- 7425 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Spoken like someone who hasn't used hardware modular and isn't really aware of what's out there. Like I wasn't until I did it.
I'm not talking about the modular and modular-ish plugins that arrived on the scene in the last couple of years as a reaction to the rise of Eurorack; nor am I talking about stuff people build in Max etc. But even Softube or VCV aren't quite up to the real thing.
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- KVRAF
- 2756 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from Central NY
I quit using hardware years ago because I got tired of not being allowed to re-sell it or having to pay exorbitant license transfer fees to do so. And hardware is just to easy to move around and setup. I need to get my exercize in.
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- KVRian
- 913 posts since 9 Aug, 2018
Wrong. I have a Eurorack setup, ever-expanding. I also have a lot of VSTs that are equally “out there” and capable.foosnark wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:57 amSpoken like someone who hasn't used hardware modular and isn't really aware of what's out there. Like I wasn't until I did it.
I'm not talking about the modular and modular-ish plugins that arrived on the scene in the last couple of years as a reaction to the rise of Eurorack; nor am I talking about stuff people build in Max etc. But even Softube or VCV aren't quite up to the real thing.
- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 22 May, 2017
There's plenty of space for both hardware and plugins. No reason whatsoever to leave VSTs.
- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 22 May, 2017
+1kvotchin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:21 amWrong. I have a Eurorack setup, ever-expanding. I also have a lot of VSTs that are equally “out there” and capable.foosnark wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:57 amSpoken like someone who hasn't used hardware modular and isn't really aware of what's out there. Like I wasn't until I did it.
I'm not talking about the modular and modular-ish plugins that arrived on the scene in the last couple of years as a reaction to the rise of Eurorack; nor am I talking about stuff people build in Max etc. But even Softube or VCV aren't quite up to the real thing.