Developers!! deliver us a tool that actually works for integrating all of our sounds!

[Forgotten]

yes, one format!

to rule them all and in the darkness bind them?

A universal dark theme would be a good idea...

[Tj Shredder]

But as far as I know, you can NKSify your presets. It would be a very bad idea to just import all existing presets into such a system. Even if it would allow it I‘d avoid it by all means!
Its better to limit it to your personal choice of sounds, you don‘t want to list the 99% crap you never want to use...
Too much choice is a flow killer. Select the sounds you like and want to play and off you go...
Investing time to maintain your personal palette of sounds is not waisted time, you will gain much more...

[GRUMP]

translation : "hey synth developers; you dont deserve to make a living the way you want. do what I want you to do instead"

because the hundred and fifty or so companies who make synths should all drop what they're doing and start working on a tool that's basically a single DAW feature...

As you may know many did already. FL, Reason, ...

2 or 3 out of a hundred isnt 'many'.

Just wait. But be warned: in the End 2-3 will be more than you had ever expected ...

And by the Way: I´ve not seen many Companys able to deliver something "that big". The most have something that is more or less worth mentioning. There are just a few that we should think about when it´s about the Future.

And some resp. ONE of them already wanted the deliver "the (closed!) Platform for everything" > 15 yrs. ago. Big Misstake if you ask me... They´ll probably be mentioned with Atari and Commodore one Day.

One more: FL and Rsn really stink if you ask my spoiled Ears. They have no Vibe, no Feeling. And they lack external Creativity.

[MachineClaw]

8 track, cassette, 45, 33 1/3, 78, 1/4in reel to reel,1/2in tape, 2” tape, cd.

Akai floppy, emu floppy.

Mac 400kb, 800kb, pc floppy, pc 5 1/4 floppy.

The format game has been going on forever.

At least now you can use your computer and organize things centerally.

What pleases one, will inevitably piss someone else off.

[fisherKing]

My point is the synth world is over-saturated with many times the same thing over and over again. It'd be nice to see the developers with their talents to create a better solution. I'm not demanding anything of anyone, simply asking the dev's who could to take a f**king break from the norm and bring users a better option.
The idea we need 50 subtractive synths a year or 80 different dev's creating another emulation when there's plenty of that going on,is -maddening!

you're overthinking this; developers develop the tools, the instruments they choose to develop; then you have a choice; what to buy (or not buy); what format to embrace (or not), etc.

choice is a good thing; we don't all work the same way, or want the same sounds. it's that variety that makes music interesting...

[Meffy]

Moved to a more appropriate forum.

@OP: Griping on KVR isn't going to get anyone to do anything. If you really do want to see something done about this, prepare a business case and present it to some actual developers.

You'll have to do some research and consulting so you can build a realistic case for how much money they might earn, and how much they might have to spend to get there. Both figures will be fantasies, but without at least trying to quantify cost versus benefits you will be laughed out of the building before you get started — instead of after.

Alternatively, download and learn Visual Studio Community Edition to write your Windows version, Xcode to write your Apple version, and maybe a GNU stack for Linux if you feel expansive. (Or, better, get a subscription to JetBrains' developer suite. Unlike the software I mentioned above it's not free. But it's mighty good.)

Then learn to code. Then learn how to interact with all DAWs, all plug-ins in all formats, and so forth. Then learn to make them all work together. After all, writing this massive thing will just be a SMOP, right?

Somewhere in there, maybe when you reach a particularly tough stumbling block, take a few hours to meditate on the difference between "want" and "need" and whether the distinction between them is relevant.

Don't feel like bothering with all that? They why should a company that is doing fine already, much less a struggling one, expend all that effort when no other attempt has managed to get traction?

I'd love to see such a piece of software. And I think the odds of it appearing are very low. The odds of a manifesto on KVR causing it to be written are right up there with all life on Earth being obliterated by a gigantic rogue star-goat.*
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* odds higher if goat has COVID-19

[DJ Warmonger]

In a perfect world, where all the people would love to work together towards common goal of greater good...
But, unfortunatelly, humans are not like that. They all do their own things

By the way, how realistic is my desire to port all my VIP presets to NKS?

[trusampler]

It'd be great if it could work out. The problem is NI unlike Akai, makes it an absolute pain to use 3rd party presets and tags.
Saving many of mine one by one, is the only option I've found. Devs like u-he support it with a converter. Thank goodness for devs like them.

[sjm]

To me, it would make far more sense for this to be part of the DAW (as mentioned previously). Otherwise you end up with middleware that is a host in a host. It's my DAW that I use to make music and where I'd like to be easily able to search for and preview sounds. I liked the idea behind Zen (since morphed into VIP), and did use it, but didn't like the fact that it ended up hosting my VSTs once I'd found a sound a liked; or I had to reload the VST. It was more useful to me as a standalone application.

I don't want additional layers of abstraction and complication, I want an easy way to manage everything in the application I make music in. Take the good ideas - like patch sharing, tags etc. - and make it part of the DAW workflow.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

But as far as I know, you can NKSify your presets. It would be a very bad idea to just import all existing presets into such a system. Even if it would allow it I‘d avoid it by all means!
Its better to limit it to your personal choice of sounds, you don‘t want to list the 99% crap you never want to use...
Too much choice is a flow killer. Select the sounds you like and want to play and off you go...
Investing time to maintain your personal palette of sounds is not waisted time, you will gain much more...

Not dismissing the virtues of a well-maintained palette/template of go-to sounds. Nor am I totally dismissing your point-of-view. Before the end of last year I'd likely have agreed with you. However, buying into NI's Komplete (Only wanted Kontakt and Una Corda, but the price worked out the same once I factored in the ability to sell off all my piecemeal licenses), and being able to try a well-loaded 'Komplete Kontrol' as made me think otherwise.

Without KK, there's no way I'd have kept FM8, Absynth, and Massive 1 installed. I have other synths that I believed to have much 'better' sounds, and certainly had no interest in going through these synths one-by-one to prove otherwise. However, with correct tagging, and the fact that all the presets have instantly accessible audio examples that one can just fly through, it's easy to find a ton of new material that I'd likely not have discovered. And it makes a huge difference to decide on a sound, rather than a synth, and then get surprised with the synth reveal. One minute you select a sound and FM8 loads up, and the next sound throws-up 'Steampipe' on Reaktor.

Not only do I find it quite inspirational, but on an 8-year-old laptop I really appreciate that a sound that perfectly fits what I want turns out to be from a 15-year-old ensemble

The real shame is that there's never likely to be a moment when I have everything I own catalogued, which kind of defeats the purpose

[trusampler]

For example omnisphere has tons of add on sounds, but without a NI converter, or spectrasonics on board with Nks, it requires a manual saving process which is tedious and maddening. I've saved alot of them along with many of my other synths which is why I came here to post. Perhaps I worded it wrong, but back in the days, fxbs just worked well for banks, and sound management.
IN Typical Kvr FORM, some folks are acting like the idea for a universal system for presets is a terrible idea, of course.

[trusampler]

I agree with the DAW support, but first we need a universal preset system that just works with all of the Synths we use.
Nks or Akai Vip format, is the closest thing to getting the hands on hardware/software experience that most of us love about using hardware.
They are worlds apart though, and that's fine, but at some point everything would work better if each vst+vsti could translate the same basic sound management language.
I don't see how anyone could really hate on the idea that our sounds can play nicely with each other in any daw. Again sorry if I'm wording this all wrong, basically I just hope that one day our Synths are smart enough to be capable of such a thing.
Maybe John's new vsti Unify is the final answer to the problem, then the question of hardware comes into play, vip support? support Nks ??

[StellarSamples]

What I'm saying is completely consistent, we need a global option for everything under one hood to be supported.

MIDI 2.0?