Roland Cloud

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electro
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4646 posts since 6 May, 2002

Post Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:56 am

PAK wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:53 am
electro wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:27 am
I understand Roland AIRA Boutiques were already discontinued, and AIRA itself may even be history. You can't find a TR-09 or D-05 for example.
Boutiques are all limited edition runs. Once sold out, unless they do another run, that's all you get. The System AIRA (plug outs) is its own product series, but doesn't seem to be getting much attention now Roland have moved to their new platform.
What System 1/8 issues have been left unaddressed?
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Funkybot's Evil Twin
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7133 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:52 am

electro wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:56 am
What System 1/8 issues have been left unaddressed?
I've got a big one! My System-8 plugin no longer functions as a librarian for the hardware. No idea why but Roland Cloud support said it's a known issue but that no fix has been put in for this. Doesn't seem to happen to everyone. I get an error saying "Data File Invalid" whenever I try. Super f*cking annoying. I've got it connected via Windows 10 on USB, with version 1.3 of the S8 firmware and the latest version of the plugin. The other Plug-Outs work.

Funkybot's Evil Twin
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7133 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:55 am

electro wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:52 am
PAK wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:53 am
Each plugin needs to be authorised every 7 days. The problem is, when you authorise one it doesn't authorise all, and plugins don't ask to be authorised until you open them. So you might need to authorise different plugins 7 days a week based on your usage, and the more plugins you install the more likely that is to be true!

The same authorisation continues to be required for plugins you "own" (YOURS-4-LIFE etc).
Absolutely unacceptable IMO. Either dongle it or count me out.
I think this actually changed slightly recently. I was having the same issue in the past. I'd load one Plug-Out, they'd ask me to log in, I'd load another, it'd ask again. Then they just stopped authorizing entirely. It turns out that even though the version numbers hadn't changed, Roland updated the authorization methods behind the scenes.

So after deleting the old versions, now I just keep my Roland Cloud Manager running in the background and I haven't been asked to authorize at all since. You still have to authorize every 7 days, that part hasn't changed, but you no longer have to do it one plugin at a time it seems, and it's not even prompting me to do it all any longer. It just kind of happens behind the scenes now. So much better!

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fmr
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9541 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:34 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:55 am
I just keep my Roland Cloud Manager running in the background and I haven't been asked to authorize at all since. You still have to authorize every 7 days, that part hasn't changed, but you no longer have to do it one plugin at a time it seems, and it's not even prompting me to do it all any longer. It just kind of happens behind the scenes now. So much better!
Yeah, I think authorization is now performed by RCM. If youy login daily with RCM, the plug-ins remain authorized.
Fernando (FMR)

Caine123
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6251 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:17 pm

hi, roland support wrote that AFTER migrating i can change my email address and keep all my subscription and royal program, can anyone confirm?
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PAK
KVRian
891 posts since 20 Feb, 2003

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:45 pm

fmr wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:34 am
Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:55 am
I just keep my Roland Cloud Manager running in the background and I haven't been asked to authorize at all since. You still have to authorize every 7 days, that part hasn't changed, but you no longer have to do it one plugin at a time it seems, and it's not even prompting me to do it all any longer. It just kind of happens behind the scenes now. So much better!
Yeah, I think authorization is now performed by RCM. If youy login daily with RCM, the plug-ins remain authorized.
Why didn't they do it that way from the start?! But it's good to know they've finally changed this. Eventually it got so annoying that I just nuked everything :D
Caine123 wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:17 pm
roland support wrote that AFTER migrating i can change my email address and keep all my subscription and royal program, can anyone confirm?
It should be ok. Especially if you have it in writing, in an email from them, I'd go ahead.. :)

Caine123
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6251 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:13 am

thx, seems it worked but now i cannot log in with my new login in the Roland Cloud manager app and on the page are no new loyalty program details, i should be able to choose again 2 vsts to keep forever.... their page is broken, i also get 404 error a lot! different browsers tested. wtf is up with roland.
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newluc
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121 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Italy

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:49 am

Works here. Signed in and all data are there.

MrDuke
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126 posts since 9 Aug, 2009

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:16 am

PAK wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:53 am
Each plugin needs to be authorised every 7 days. The problem is, when you authorise one it doesn't authorise all, and plugins don't ask to be authorised until you open them. So you might need to authorise different plugins 7 days a week based on your usage, and the more plugins you install the more likely that is to be true!
Yeah I noticed this as I just came back to Cloud after being away from it for a bit. I don't like to keep my music Mac online and this is definitely a hassle.

MrDuke
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126 posts since 9 Aug, 2009

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:21 am

fmr wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:48 am
I'm tired of useless SRX expansions. I don't even bother installing them.
The "good" thing about the SRX emulations is that you at least get a sense of what they were truly about in the first place. Meaning - if you think of the prices those cards still fetch online ($150-200/pc), at least you can tell that those reaaallly aren't worth it at all. :D

I suppose there might be some "gems" in there, but for instance I lusted after a Platinum Trax SRX board for a long time...and boy what a waste of money that would've been. :lol:

MrDuke
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126 posts since 9 Aug, 2009

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:22 am

The JX3P plug-in murders my CPU, anyone else? I've got a brand new 6-core MBP that should be able to cope with it just fine...

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EnochLight
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1648 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from your mom

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:55 am

MrDuke wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:22 am
The JX3P plug-in murders my CPU, anyone else? I've got a brand new 6-core MBP that should be able to cope with it just fine...
Weird.. my 8 year old 3770K handles it on my PC, though all of the ACB modelled legacy stuff seems to be really hard on the CPU in general. Which exactly 6-core CPU does your MBP have?
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Jace-BeOS
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6171 posts since 7 Jan, 2005 from Corporate States of America

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:14 am

I can’t wait until Roland decide to shut down the authorization server like NI... You can be almost certain Roland won’t be interactive about it as NI seems they might be doing...
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PAK
KVRian
891 posts since 20 Feb, 2003

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:00 am

Jace-BeOS wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:14 am
I can’t wait until Roland decide to shut down the authorization server like NI... You can be almost certain Roland won’t be interactive about it as NI seems they might be doing...
You're right. However, in some regards, it can be said Roland do offer a perpetual license.. you just have to buy their hardware dongle (keyboards and desktop synths) to obtain one. Whether AIRA (direct equivalent), Boutique (direct equivalent) or ZEN (Equivalent for things like the 5080, lower DSP "close" equivalent for the other emulations.. )

I've already decided I won't invest further into cloud (the JD800, JP8K, and especially VSynth might convince me, just to have the plugins ;) ) as eventually you might as well just get the desktop units or Jupiter X / Fantom for the money they're costing on an ongoing basis.. Also, for many of the synths, I find Diva not just an acceptable but a superior alternative..

Shiek927
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546 posts since 14 May, 2014

Re: Roland Cloud

Post Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:24 am

MrDuke wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:21 am
fmr wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:48 am
I'm tired of useless SRX expansions. I don't even bother installing them.
The "good" thing about the SRX emulations is that you at least get a sense of what they were truly about in the first place. Meaning - if you think of the prices those cards still fetch online ($150-200/pc), at least you can tell that those reaaallly aren't worth it at all. :D

I suppose there might be some "gems" in there, but for instance I lusted after a Platinum Trax SRX board for a long time...and boy what a waste of money that would've been. :lol:
Haha, pretty much me and hardware in a nutshell. I love the character out of some gems out there, but the expense and workflow is just too much in comparison to just waiting for it to hit software. There's always that point when you lust over some stuff and then you actually get it and realize the demos and your imagination really inflated things :hihi:

But yeah. As far as Roland goes, I'm only waiting on the JD800 and V-Synth/VP9000 at this point. After that, I'm pretty much settled for life on Roland stuff. u-he Diva already handles classic analog better than anyone ever will, so it's just some choice digital gear that I'm pining for. Hopefully it's not too late for companies to jump on the early early 2k trend we're on and we'll some some Novation Supernovas, WaldorfQs, and other 90s plugins coming out as well.

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