Mixing Headphones

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Spring Goose
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587 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:59 am

Spring Goose wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:41 am
Spring Goose wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:33 am
vitocorleone123 wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:45 pm
Sonarworks Headphone.
It doesn't work for me. It makes very crackly sound, and thereafter (after i uninstalled) i still have very crackly sound from internet but not Windows Media Player.
Sorry, i think it is the new Microsoft Edge which is causing the problem not Sonarworks Headphone.
Sorry, it does seem to cause crackly sound.

Spring Goose
KVRian
587 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:15 am

I wanted it to work.

I was gonna buy this

https://www.thomann.de/gb/avantone_mixc ... _cream.htm

and i was very much looking forward to my 21 day demo of this software.

Hana Suarez
KVRist
33 posts since 20 Jul, 2018

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:56 am

Burillo wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:55 am
am i missing something? how does one do "sound demos" of the headphones without actually having them?
yeah.. I was thinking the same thing :lol:
I was leaning toward the Jubilee's but I'm beginning to realize a lot of the raving reviews are from gamers... kinda worrying, lol. Starting to think maybe they aren't an option.
Anyone have experience with the DT880's by Beyerdynamic?

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Burillo
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Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:17 am

i have DT880's. they're very nice. a little bass light, and there are a couple of hills and valleys here and there, but they're great and very comfy. i would recommend them in a heartbeat. keep in mind that they're semi-open, so they feel entirely differently from closed headphones.
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Captngeetch
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34 posts since 16 Jun, 2016

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:47 am

I recently bought a pair of Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 250 ohm headphones. Wow, what a difference. I have spent the last couple of weeks remixing/remastering several projects. I can't believe how many little nuances I have been missing by using a cheap pair of AKG's. I HIGHLY recommend them, they make them in different ohm ratings if your headphone amp/interface/mixer/console doesn't have the output for the 250 ohm version. My setup has no problem amplifying them enough for my tastes/needs. I'm not sure I would recommend them for tracking, but mixing and referencing while mastering, hell yeah.

Hana Suarez
KVRist
33 posts since 20 Jul, 2018

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:27 pm

Captngeetch wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:47 am
I recently bought a pair of Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 250 ohm headphones. Wow, what a difference. I have spent the last couple of weeks remixing/remastering several projects. I can't believe how many little nuances I have been missing by using a cheap pair of AKG's. I HIGHLY recommend them, they make them in different ohm ratings if your headphone amp/interface/mixer/console doesn't have the output for the 250 ohm version. My setup has no problem amplifying them enough for my tastes/needs. I'm not sure I would recommend them for tracking, but mixing and referencing while mastering, hell yeah.
Yeah, I'm looking to use them specifically for mixing.
After you remixed projects, have you listened to them over car radio, phone & earbuds, etc? Does it still sound good?

Hana Suarez
KVRist
33 posts since 20 Jul, 2018

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:28 pm

Captngeetch wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:47 am
I recently bought a pair of Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 250 ohm headphones. Wow, what a difference. I have spent the last couple of weeks remixing/remastering several projects. I can't believe how many little nuances I have been missing by using a cheap pair of AKG's. I HIGHLY recommend them, they make them in different ohm ratings if your headphone amp/interface/mixer/console doesn't have the output for the 250 ohm version. My setup has no problem amplifying them enough for my tastes/needs. I'm not sure I would recommend them for tracking, but mixing and referencing while mastering, hell yeah.
Also, these vs the open back DT990s? I'm curious as to whether people fine closed-back more.. hmm "limiting"? Because the sound is so "in your head" vs open backs which kind of create a sense of space so to say.

SparkySpark
KVRAF
1863 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Lancaster, UK

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:04 pm

Hana Suarez wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:28 pm
Also, these vs the open back DT990s? I'm curious as to whether people fine closed-back more.. hmm "limiting"? Because the sound is so "in your head" vs open backs which kind of create a sense of space so to say.
I don't think you can judge too much from asking others how these phones sound, you will have to do a shootout by yourself honestly. But to answer your specific question: yes, there is a big difference in how you perceive the sound from open and closed back headphones. I am very happy with the AKG 712 Pro open headphones; the sound feels much more natural in them than in my earlier closed back headphones. Open are also easier on the ears (ie less fatigue) if you listen for a long time, at least that is my opinion.

In another thread like this one from perhaps two years ago, I showed some pitch correction images from TB MorphIt. There you can see what they feel needs to be corrected EQ-wise for several of the headphones mentioned above.
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SparkySpark
KVRAF
1863 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Lancaster, UK

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:18 pm

Found it!
viewtopic.php?f=102&t=530353&hilit=880
I think this is the most exhaustive thread on headphones for mixing here at KVR. There is also a thread of 50 (!) pages - 500 posts! - somewhere at Gearslutz, but I cannot remember that it brought me more info, really.

Most users would advice you to purchase headphones you like and get to learn how they translate, maybe using correction tools (Sonarworks or MorphIt) and maybe using CanOpener. What is "correct" also has to do with your specific hearing and, of course, taste. So: I hear my mixes (and individual sounds when shaping them) better with my 712's, but people at KVR say they are better balanced when I make the mixes "correct" in my (cheaper) Sony 7506's. Thus, I create and mix my music with the 712's, then balance the mix with the 7506's (and the traditional means as well of course, but I mean specific to headphone mixing).
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Mr_Scroup
KVRer
4 posts since 6 Apr, 2020

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:24 pm

I've been using Krk KNS 6400 for like 5 or 6 years. Not the most comfortable but the sound is great, and are very very durable.
If you the chance try them.

westsideryan
KVRer
21 posts since 19 Mar, 2020

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:47 pm

For mixing I'd suggest Beyerdynamic DT 990's. I like 770's for tracking.

Pacific05
KVRist
186 posts since 5 Oct, 2014 from Rome

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:44 pm

SparkySpark wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:18 pm
people at KVR say they are better balanced when I make the mixes "correct" in my (cheaper) Sony 7506's
I love 7506, great classic so underestimated.

For open back cans, I would tell OP to go and try Beyerdynamics, 990 or (maybe better) 880, semiopened.
Choose the perfect headphones is a very subjective thing, just like monitors.

wackob
KVRer
14 posts since 20 Apr, 2020

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:21 am

I love the Beyerdynamic DT 770

UtopiaAudio
KVRer
11 posts since 11 Mar, 2020

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:02 pm

Open vs closed headphones is really something to consider. Closed, of course, give better sound isolation, but open usually are more comfortable to wear for longer sessions (apart from any sound differences). And as suggested, getting something like Sonarworks to calibrate the sound for the headphones you get, and emulate other headphones, can be a good idea.

SparkySpark
KVRAF
1863 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Lancaster, UK

Re: Mixing Headphones

Post Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:44 pm

UtopiaAudio wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:02 pm
Open vs closed headphones is really something to consider. Closed, of course, give better sound isolation, but open usually are more comfortable to wear for longer sessions (apart from any sound differences). And as suggested, getting something like Sonarworks to calibrate the sound for the headphones you get, and emulate other headphones, can be a good idea.
Yes, agreeing with all of this. The most important matter though (in my view) is that open-back sound more natural, as the sound seems to originate outside your head (well, it does, ...or maybe sound does just exist as the air vibrations are interpreted by the ear drums... :-? but you get what I mean...) So, for me, open-back is much preferred (plus whatever closed-back for laying down vocal tracks).
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