Bitwig Studio 3.2 goes into Beta

[Liero]

I love Bitwig but I really see no sense in wasting their development resources on totally mundane things that are so easily replaced by much better 3rd party plugins. Who really wanted a new graphical EQ when everyone is already using Pro-Q or DMG (or whatever)? Who really needs another saturator from Bitwig when there are so many on offer already?

At the same time there are some gaping holes in the DAW that are still not addressed, some mentioned here already, but I would just add the lack of keyboard shortcut support (so, so many things can't be assigned a shortcut that should), the baffling omission of a proper, versatile MSEG modulator envelope (in a software that prides its modulation capabilities), preset tracks, audio/midi editing features, step input (!!!), I could go on...

Please stop adding things that 3rd parties can already do, please start adding and fixing things within the DAW itself.

[SLiC]

Who really needs another saturator from Bitwig when there are so many on offer already?

I have a lot of third party saturators, Bigwigs is one of the best sounding I have used and as it can be used in the grid (per note) it is so much better than any 3rd party device! Some people use the 'built in' stuff (especially on Linux!) and some people don't - but when you can use it as a 'grid module' it is gold to me....

[Liero]

Who really needs another saturator from Bitwig when there are so many on offer already?

I have a lot of third party saturators, Bigwigs is one of the best sounding I have used and as it can be used in the grid (per note) it is so much better than any 3rd party device! Some people use the 'built in' stuff (especially on Linux!) and some people don't - but when you can use it as a 'grid module' it is gold to me....

Point taken. The per-voice feature in the saturator is above ordinary.

[SLiC]

So is the new filter in the grid, check it out, it’s superb.

There are some gems buried in all this ‘stuff’ and I am still chuffed with being able to edit file names in the bitwig browser....seems like a tiny thing, but so useful to add more meaningful file names as you audition or find stuff!

[pdxindy]

The new Filter in the Grid is quite good. I immediately like what I hear.

The new Selector modes are sweet too. Also the ability to delay notes and trigger an envelope on note release. Haven't tried the per voice saturation.

[poonna]

Is the grid feedback routing still restricted to buffer size ?

That is not going to change (my guess)

Actually, since they seem to be adding variable buffer size to VST3 plugins, it should be possible now to have feedback routing delay independent of DAW buffer size.

[poonna]

BTW, is this “XP” filter name signifying something about an Oberheim filter model? I wonder if anyone familiar with one can check.

[pdxindy]

Is the grid feedback routing still restricted to buffer size ?

That is not going to change (my guess)

Actually, since they seem to be adding variable buffer size to VST3 plugins, it should be possible now to have feedback routing delay independent of DAW buffer size.

That would be sweet!!

[pdxindy]

BTW, is this “XP” filter name signifying something about an Oberheim filter model? I wonder if anyone familiar with one can check.

I would assume the Matrix 12 which had a filter with 15 modes

[apoclypse]

Still nothing there imo that will make me use the upgrade code I purchased last year. I guess I'll stick with 3.0.3 for while. I want some fundamental improvements not flashy stuff to hand wave issues away.

But, but, but...!!!

How is this not basically a subscription again?

Cute, but that comment was about auto renewals which is essentially a subscription. Try to keep up

Hmm... You mean in the same way updating Cubase every year is essentially a subscription? And upgrading Reason from version 10 to version 11 is also a subscription following that logic.

The only thing that is not true about Bitwig, is that the upgrade becomes more expensive if the version numbers are more apart. Upgrading Bitwig 1.0 to 3.x is just as expensive as upgrading from 2.0 to 3.x or 3.0 to 3.x. Cubase and comparable other DAW's at the other hand...

Anyway - I will do a renewal around next month I guess. I have been waiting for a while, and next month will give me some nice extra cash.

No in the context of that thread the OP complained that he was charged automatically by Bitwig to re-up the upgrade plan. If you have auto renewal turned on and like the OP didn’t pay attention you will automatically get charged. Which is why I commented on how is that not essentially a subscription because for all intents and purposes in that specific context, it is.

I was not commenting on Bitwigs upgrade plans specifically, though if I was, your point doesn’t really stand. I have yet to see a Daw that charges more to upgrade for older versions. If I had S1 version 2 it would cost the same to upgrade to version 4 or 5 or whatever version. Apple always charges $199 there is no “upgrade” pricing. The same with Live. Upgrading from 1-9 costs the same.

The big difference is that Bitwig costs more in the long run, I can upgrade to S1 version 5 tomorrow ( with the same fee they always charge for upgrades. Usually $140 ish though right now it’s on sale for $104 since a new version is coming soon) and it will be at least 2 years before I need to pay again to upgrade. Most DAWs like S1 release just as significant updates as Bitwig within that version cycle for free to its users. Logic hasn’t charged for an update since 2013 and they release a new version every year, sometimes even two versions.

I do have issues with Bitwigs upgrade model. I don’t think the value is there, especially after this update but in this particular instance that wasn’t my intention behind the comment.

[pdxindy]

I do have issues with Bitwigs upgrade model. I don’t think the value is there, especially after this update but in this particular instance that wasn’t my intention behind the comment.

I don't mind the model... and while in the beginning I found the cost vs the improvements to be acceptable, the past 8-9 months has been a bit on the slim side. Next time my 12 months is up I may wait 6-12 months before activating again if it keeps going as it has. The reason I am okay with the model is because I have that choice. Otherwise I would drop Bitwig in a moment.

[antic604]

I do have issues with Bitwigs upgrade model. I don’t think the value is there, especially after this update but in this particular instance that wasn’t my intention behind the comment.

Yeah, you just wanted to take a cheap shot and ride on the popular misconception

[Tks32tim]

I think the update is fantastic , no problems with it at all, arp now a step sequencer? Check. flip between note fx in different ways easily? Check .I've tried all the daws and bitwig is streets ahead in terms of flexibility and modulation options and leaves ableton in the dust, used cubase the other day and its routing and modulation options are archaic compared to bitwig, though I will add that cubase sound engine is better...

[Echoes in the Attic]

I do have issues with Bitwigs upgrade model. I don’t think the value is there, especially after this update but in this particular instance that wasn’t my intention behind the comment.

I don't mind the model... and while in the beginning I found the cost vs the improvements to be acceptable, the past 8-9 months has been a bit on the slim side. Next time my 12 months is up I may wait 6-12 months before activating again if it keeps going as it has. The reason I am okay with the model is because I have that choice. Otherwise I would drop Bitwig in a moment.

Why wouldn't you already have been doing that? The whole idea is don't renew your plan until an update comes along that contains enough improvements that you are willing to jump in and pay again.I renewed in December but probably wouldn't have except for the fact that Moss's push script had some useful updates that required the newer version.

[SLiC]

BTW, is this “XP” filter name signifying something about an Oberheim filter model? I wonder if anyone familiar with one can check.

I would assume the Matrix 12 which had a filter with 15 modes

Good call....it is a really is a great sounding filter, need to build a new Matrix 12 inspired polysynth around this!