This opens the can-of-worms called "Inter-sample peaks"...Michey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:12 pmIsn't that why gain staging exists in the first place ? "stay safe" was a slogan used way before covid-19...plexuss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:21 pmNoise and distortion - there are applications of noise and distortion that occur in the analogue domain that some people like when optimally used in music production. ITB opens up all kinds of issues and risks with noise and distortion that do not exist in analogue, for example clipping causing wide band intermodulation distortion which is generally not pleasing.
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Tape simulations for that mastering mojo.
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No, bra are well done. I just don’t like magnetite
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Anyone tried Magnetite by Black Rooster? I got it free recently but haven't installed.
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...Only if one insists limiting to 0dBFS
SOS' Technical Editor Hugh Robjohns wrote:inter-sample peaks (ISPs) only occur during a conversion process when the audio waveform is being reconstructed — during D-A conversion, sample-rate conversion, lossy codec processing, and so forth. However, the digital data itself is not inherently corrupt, and reducing the level before conversion processing will avoid the problem.
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Or use an ISP sensitive limiter.
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Or ponder the notion of ISP (how much of a discernible difference is actually heard - given the conversion/limiting ISN'T slammed and hammered against illogical amount of over-the-head dB's)
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The problem with non-ISP brickwall limiting is nobody can safely predict what will happen on the user's audio equipment side. Whether ISPs are actually perceivable depends on the actual reconstruction filter, the DAC involved, and the surrounding audio parts, along with the analogue headroom. Most ISP limiters as well as ISP-aware metering instruments use 4x oversampling, which is common sense of being reasonably enough for prediction, but there can be cases where even that fails and the reconstructed waveform still exceeds the maximum headroom. Limiters are delicate tools, and need to be used with caution, care and a clear mind.
But now we're talking the opposite of 'Mojo', so back on (tape) track, folks
But now we're talking the opposite of 'Mojo', so back on (tape) track, folks
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I've tried many, all the usual suspects, but have not yet found one that made the master sound better, however I tried to set it up.
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tbh that's also true for real tape in many cases.Hermetech Mastering wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:16 am I've tried many, all the usual suspects, but have not yet found one that made the master sound better, however I tried to set it up.
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Exactly, haha.Ploki wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:22 amtbh that's also true for real tape in many cases.Hermetech Mastering wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:16 am I've tried many, all the usual suspects, but have not yet found one that made the master sound better, however I tried to set it up.
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It's very audible. I came up with the idea of "ISP Density" which measures the number of ISP warnings in a set time period. The more density the more IMD and the more it will be audible. If there is just one true ISP you wont hear it likely. But if you get a high density of them, they will be audible. In my experiments with fairly dynamic electronic music and well defined transients, you can only get to maybe 18 LUFS before peaks start clipping. Pushing loudness higher will definitely throw overs.eytanmich123 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:38 amOr ponder the notion of ISP (how much of a discernible difference is actually heard - given the conversion/limiting ISN'T slammed and hammered against illogical amount of over-the-head dB's)
You know those really loud EDM and Rock recordings that have this kind of sound of "haze" through them, that's IMD due to ISPs.
Once I figured all this out I was able to significantly increase the sound quality of my ITB work.
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