Shimmer VS ShimmerVerb

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nathanj
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577 posts since 23 Mar, 2013

Post Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:51 pm

Alright,

How do they compare?

I love Shimmer but the idea of having something comparable that I can modulate in real time is very very very appealing.

irvg
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156 posts since 30 Oct, 2009

Post Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:45 pm

How about their own Crystallizer (or the one from Soundtoys, for that matter)?
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ChamomileShark
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1882 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:49 am

I assume you mean Valhalla's Shimmer vs Eventide's Shimmer. I've used the Shimmer H9 algo which they seem to have ported.

For me the big difference is that Eventide's Shimmer allows you indepently set the pitch shifts. So on Valhallas you can have an octave+ down, a fitth up and down and so one. But the Eventide allows you an octave up and a fifth down etc.

Eventide's Crystals is somewhat different from memory being more like Sound toys Crystallizer.

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Unaspected
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1545 posts since 4 May, 2012

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:59 am

I believe XenoVerb's shimmer mode is based on the Eventide algorithm, also allowing for adjustment of two pitch shifted taps with independent ranges of +/- 24 semitones.

HcDoom
KVRian
1277 posts since 18 Feb, 2012

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:11 am

Judging by the demo video - Valhalla Shimmer sounds to my ears more spacious than this one...or Eventide makes bad demos. :)

sinkmusic
KVRAF
6486 posts since 28 Apr, 2004 from france

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:34 am

nathanj wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:51 pm
the idea of having something comparable that I can modulate in real time is very very very appealing.
ToneBooster Reverb features both LFO and a dual pich-shifter, so you may add this to your list, too.

Also, Tritik Irid is very nice (and features a frequency shifter along with two pitch shifters).
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functionform
KVRian
546 posts since 13 May, 2017 from Virginia

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:27 am

Don't see the point in this one. Why not feed any reverb of choice into a pitch shifter? It doesn't sound like the reverb they chose is especially interesting. That said I usually my GAS is flaring up bigtime so I might have to get it to keep my collection complete.

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Calenberger
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1830 posts since 8 Sep, 2019 from Calenberg

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:36 am

Unaspected wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:59 am
I believe XenoVerb's shimmer mode is based on the Eventide algorithm, also allowing for adjustment of two pitch shifted taps with independent ranges of +/- 24 semitones.
I already have Xenoverb, I think I'll skip this Eventide offer.
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Vortifex
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1981 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:16 am

Tried the Eventide ShimmerVerb demo. Quite a dark sound and a narrow stereo field and no controllable pitch modulation (aside from the shimmer). Can do some interesting things with the dual pitch but overall I wasn't really feeling this one.

The shimmer in Xenoverb is quite nice but the plugin is buggy as hell.

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Unaspected
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1545 posts since 4 May, 2012

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:59 pm

Calenberger wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:36 am
Unaspected wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:59 am
I believe XenoVerb's shimmer mode is based on the Eventide algorithm, also allowing for adjustment of two pitch shifted taps with independent ranges of +/- 24 semitones.
I already have Xenoverb, I think I'll skip this Eventide offer.
Wrong?
https://youtu.be/fhnrrLxQEVQ
Only you can decide that. Some seem to feel a need to have a broad selection of plugins whilst I favour a restrictive choice - until I hear something unique and wonderful, of course.

Vortifex wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:16 am
Tried the Eventide ShimmerVerb demo. Quite a dark sound and a narrow stereo field and no controllable pitch modulation (aside from the shimmer). Can do some interesting things with the dual pitch but overall I wasn't really feeling this one.

The shimmer in Xenoverb is quite nice but the plugin is buggy as hell.
There is one bug that you just reminded me of. I have yet to report because it wasn't anything major: The titles for the two variables that are program specific will sometimes revert to their initial names, though their functions remain the same. It's only marginally irritating - though I also set everything by ear, rather than numeric value. I can imagine it being an issue for those needing a numeric readout.

Other than that, there was an early bug that I read about regarding project recall of settings for VST3 but that has been fixed.

MogwaiBoy
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3643 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:56 pm

Blackhole is so lush - I can't imagine this new shimmer reverb would suck. I just bought Tritik Irid and already I'm thinking about more shimverb :dog:

Razzia
KVRist
378 posts since 21 May, 2016

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:04 pm

Damn tritik irid looks really nice. And very competitively priced at $50 too. I don't think I'd even heard of tritik before this. Seems like quality stuff

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GaryG
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6092 posts since 13 Jan, 2003 from Darkest Kent, UK

Post Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:01 pm

functionform wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:27 am
Don't see the point in this one. Why not feed any reverb of choice into a pitch shifter?
The classic shimmer isn't just reverb into a pitch shifter, that would be a pretty static sound. The output of the the shifter is fed back into the reverb so it's reverbed and shifted again (and again, and again...) That's what's gets you the distinctive blooming, build up of high (or low) frequencies.

You can do it yourself with routing in your daw but I've found you need to carefully tune it to get decent results (adding eq and compressors to help control the sound etc). Sometimes more efficient to let someone else do the hard work. :)
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functionform
KVRian
546 posts since 13 May, 2017 from Virginia

Post Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:20 am

Damnit ok. I'll add it to the collection.

v1o
KVRAF
2356 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Post Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:34 am

Just add a pitch shifter to your regular reverb.
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