I overpaid for my u-he plugins...

[Teksonik]

How about second hand sales?

Ok prevent someone from reselling their license. Now how many people won't buy a plugin with a no-resale policy ?

Again I'm not attacking U-he but my nose is not so far up their ass that I can't at least see both sides of the argument and not just both cheeks.....

[zvenx]

Your argument has flaws in it.
If you think allowing third party sellers, allows preferential treatment to those customers, same applies to people who buy it second hand.

Using your very faulty 'logic', anyone that u-he policy allows to buy it cheaper are somehow contradicting u-he's stated goals according to you.

Neither are practical, and it is obvious what they mean.
rsp

[pough]

I know Urs said they get sales from resellers but wouldn't those same sales also come if they didn't have resellers and the only place to purchase was from the U-he shop ?

I doubt it. There might be a slight increase of sales though the u-he shop but I doubt it would be anywhere near as high as having products available from other sources as well. Many more eyes will see it and there are trust/preference issues.

People are weird and don't always use logic. If you don't believe me, just read KvR.

[Tricky-Loops]

Also, everyone, please stop reporting posts. If I can take "dickheads" (my hair is more fluffy than anything I'd ever seen on a dick in a porn movie), you can take "assholes", particularly if it ain't directed at yourselves. If people keep reporting things, I'll move posts to a secret place on KVR where really, really powerful forces get involved. You don't want that. I don't want it. Nobody does.

<- smirking smiley for peace offering, in case you don't notice

People should behave like a DIVA, not like a PRESSWERK!

[briefcasemanx]

US retailers also typically show prices excluding VAT/GST/whatever. They then add it later during the checkout process, often 7-10% depending on state you purchase from. We show prices including VAT/GST/whatever (we have to include the VAT on our website, EU laws...), which we magically level out at around 10% for our calculations of the price we give our resellers. Hence, more or less, suggested retail prices are pretty equal. But again, dollar is currently down vs. euro, therefore American resellers buy cheap currently, due to our fixed dollar price.

We simply can't go into daily market prices like on a fish market. I'd love some grilled cheese sandwich, bit it would be for late dinner, thank you.

I don't pay sales tax. Maybe buying from US retailers isn't quite as much of a discount (compared to the official website) for people that have to pay taxes at point of sale. If you are including taxes in the price on your website then people like me are essentially getting double taxed (because "sales" taxes are withheld from my paycheck, and then you're including an extra tax charge in the listed price), so in the grand scheme of things I actually lost more than $80 compared to someone buying from a US retailer in a state with sales tax.

[pekbro]

Buying plugins like anything else, works best when you are an informed consumer. You are the only
one who can protect your own interests. It literally took me 10 yrs to collect all the paid uhe plugins that
I do have, as I have never bought one while there wasn't a discount of some sort going on at the time.
Being aware of things like currency conversion and paypal fees is only common sense, and quite mandatory if you want to get the most out of your hard earned cash when buying anything online.

[experimental.crow]

US retailers also typically show prices excluding VAT/GST/whatever. They then add it later during the checkout process, often 7-10% depending on state you purchase from. We show prices including VAT/GST/whatever (we have to include the VAT on our website, EU laws...), which we magically level out at around 10% for our calculations of the price we give our resellers. Hence, more or less, suggested retail prices are pretty equal. But again, dollar is currently down vs. euro, therefore American resellers buy cheap currently, due to our fixed dollar price.

We simply can't go into daily market prices like on a fish market. I'd love some grilled cheese sandwich, bit it would be for late dinner, thank you.

I don't pay sales tax. Maybe buying from US retailers isn't quite as much of a discount (compared to the official website) for people that have to pay taxes at point of sale. If you are including taxes in the price on your website then people like me are essentially getting double taxed (because "sales" taxes are withheld from my paycheck, and then you're including an extra tax charge in the listed price), so in the grand scheme of things I actually lost more than $80 compared to someone buying from a US retailer in a state with sales tax.

oh , do explain this ...
please ...

[lunardigs]

Yeah, it makes sense. With my business it's the same story; there's the concept of Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP). Then there's wholesale for retailers/resellers and then 'street price,' which is what you and I pay.
Almost invariably, MSRP will be the highest price paid (a.k.a. 'list price') and it's the price you'd normally see on the manufacturer's website.
Otherwise, there'd be little or no incentive for resellers to carry your product.

The only instance I can think of where I might break this concept is where selling via Amazon FBA--shhh though, because they're watching. I'd sure know, because they recently de-listed one of our products due to a "potential pricing error" ... No joke. They trawl the net for lower-price instances of your products and will shut you down unless you lower your price on their platform, or the market changes. I just went through this and up until now, I was pretty confident Amazon couldn't surprise us with any further bullcrap.

Subject: Listings deactivated for potential pricing error

Dear Seller,

We have detected potential pricing errors in your Amazon.com product listings. We have deactivated the listings mentioned at the bottom of this message to prevent any negative customer experience ...

That said, I'd MUCH rather patron the manufacturer than have a third party like Amazon take 40-80%. Why? Because it goes to the true innovators and producers of the goods, not some intermediary like Amazon who gives those same people a bunch of hell in return.

[briefcasemanx]

US retailers also typically show prices excluding VAT/GST/whatever. They then add it later during the checkout process, often 7-10% depending on state you purchase from. We show prices including VAT/GST/whatever (we have to include the VAT on our website, EU laws...), which we magically level out at around 10% for our calculations of the price we give our resellers. Hence, more or less, suggested retail prices are pretty equal. But again, dollar is currently down vs. euro, therefore American resellers buy cheap currently, due to our fixed dollar price.

We simply can't go into daily market prices like on a fish market. I'd love some grilled cheese sandwich, bit it would be for late dinner, thank you.

I don't pay sales tax. Maybe buying from US retailers isn't quite as much of a discount (compared to the official website) for people that have to pay taxes at point of sale. If you are including taxes in the price on your website then people like me are essentially getting double taxed (because "sales" taxes are withheld from my paycheck, and then you're including an extra tax charge in the listed price), so in the grand scheme of things I actually lost more than $80 compared to someone buying from a US retailer in a state with sales tax.

oh , do explain this ...
please ...

This is maybe some sort of weird U.S.A. thing, but the US state that I live in doesn't charge any tax for purchases at point of sale. Instead of sales tax an estimated amount of tax is taken out of my paycheck by the state. Once per year I file both federal (national) and state (local) taxes. People that live in states that charge taxes at point of sale typically only have to file federal taxes (at least the states I've lived in), as the state gets the taxes it needs every time you buy something rather than from your paycheck.

I put it in quotation marks because it's not technically a sales tax, as I'm not taxed at point of sale, but it functionally serves the same purpose. It's just semantics about when the money is taken.

[mgw38]

This is maybe some sort of weird U.S.A. thing, but the US state that I live in doesn't charge any tax for purchases at point of sale. Instead of sales tax an estimated amount of tax is taken out of my paycheck by the state. Once per year I file both federal (national) and state (local) taxes. States that charge taxes at point of sale typically only have to file federal taxes, as the state gets the taxes it needs every time you buy something rather than from your paycheck.

I put it in quotation marks because it's not technically a sales tax, as I'm not taxed at point of sale, but it functionally serves the same purpose. It's just semantics about when the money is taken.

There is so much factually wrong in that statement, I wouldn’t even know where to start correcting you.

[briefcasemanx]

This is maybe some sort of weird U.S.A. thing, but the US state that I live in doesn't charge any tax for purchases at point of sale. Instead of sales tax an estimated amount of tax is taken out of my paycheck by the state. Once per year I file both federal (national) and state (local) taxes. States that charge taxes at point of sale typically only have to file federal taxes, as the state gets the taxes it needs every time you buy something rather than from your paycheck.

I put it in quotation marks because it's not technically a sales tax, as I'm not taxed at point of sale, but it functionally serves the same purpose. It's just semantics about when the money is taken.

There is so much factually wrong in that statement, I wouldn’t even know where to start correcting you.

You can try to correct the parts you think are incorrect, or you can pretend to be superior and smug on the internet as if you'll earn some sort of credit. The only purpose for your reply was to placate your own ego.

[experimental.crow]

US retailers also typically show prices excluding VAT/GST/whatever. They then add it later during the checkout process, often 7-10% depending on state you purchase from. We show prices including VAT/GST/whatever (we have to include the VAT on our website, EU laws...), which we magically level out at around 10% for our calculations of the price we give our resellers. Hence, more or less, suggested retail prices are pretty equal. But again, dollar is currently down vs. euro, therefore American resellers buy cheap currently, due to our fixed dollar price.

We simply can't go into daily market prices like on a fish market. I'd love some grilled cheese sandwich, bit it would be for late dinner, thank you.

I don't pay sales tax. Maybe buying from US retailers isn't quite as much of a discount (compared to the official website) for people that have to pay taxes at point of sale. If you are including taxes in the price on your website then people like me are essentially getting double taxed (because "sales" taxes are withheld from my paycheck, and then you're including an extra tax charge in the listed price), so in the grand scheme of things I actually lost more than $80 compared to someone buying from a US retailer in a state with sales tax.

oh , do explain this ...
please ...

This is maybe some sort of weird U.S.A. thing, but the US state that I live in doesn't charge any tax for purchases at point of sale. Instead of sales tax an estimated amount of tax is taken out of my paycheck by the state. Once per year I file both federal (national) and state (local) taxes. States that charge taxes at point of sale typically only have to file federal taxes, as the state gets the taxes it needs every time you buy something rather than from your paycheck.

I put it in quotation marks because it's not technically a sales tax, as I'm not taxed at point of sale, but it functionally serves the same purpose. It's just semantics about when the money is taken.

as previously noted by mgw38 , this is completely erroneous ...
the withholding the state takes from your paycheck is based upon income , just like
the federal withholding tax ...

sales taxes are calculated and collected at point of sale , and can vary by state , county
and even city ...

[briefcasemanx]

US retailers also typically show prices excluding VAT/GST/whatever. They then add it later during the checkout process, often 7-10% depending on state you purchase from. We show prices including VAT/GST/whatever (we have to include the VAT on our website, EU laws...), which we magically level out at around 10% for our calculations of the price we give our resellers. Hence, more or less, suggested retail prices are pretty equal. But again, dollar is currently down vs. euro, therefore American resellers buy cheap currently, due to our fixed dollar price.

We simply can't go into daily market prices like on a fish market. I'd love some grilled cheese sandwich, bit it would be for late dinner, thank you.

I don't pay sales tax. Maybe buying from US retailers isn't quite as much of a discount (compared to the official website) for people that have to pay taxes at point of sale. If you are including taxes in the price on your website then people like me are essentially getting double taxed (because "sales" taxes are withheld from my paycheck, and then you're including an extra tax charge in the listed price), so in the grand scheme of things I actually lost more than $80 compared to someone buying from a US retailer in a state with sales tax.

oh , do explain this ...
please ...

This is maybe some sort of weird U.S.A. thing, but the US state that I live in doesn't charge any tax for purchases at point of sale. Instead of sales tax an estimated amount of tax is taken out of my paycheck by the state. Once per year I file both federal (national) and state (local) taxes. States that charge taxes at point of sale typically only have to file federal taxes, as the state gets the taxes it needs every time you buy something rather than from your paycheck.

I put it in quotation marks because it's not technically a sales tax, as I'm not taxed at point of sale, but it functionally serves the same purpose. It's just semantics about when the money is taken.

as previously noted by mgw38 , this is completely erroneous ...
the withholding the state takes from your paycheck is based upon income , just like
the federal withholding tax ...

sales taxes are calculated and collected at point of sale , and can vary by state , county
and even city ...

Hence the quotation marks...

I've already specifically explained that it is not a sales tax but it serves the same purpose, to fund the state. I already specifically explained that it's not taken at point of sale.

[pekbro]

I believe in the US they are supposed to collect US tax based on your location, but that never seems to work out. I am often curious as to how they are actually supposed to pay it, and wonder if much of it is not just kept by the vendors as routes to individual state sales tax may not be in place for them.

In the case of EU vendors like uhe, there is no way around the VAT, fortunately, being from the US, they aren't collecting that from us, or at least the EU has not found a way to do that yet.

[zvenx]

They are some states without sales taxes at POS.

https://www.thestreet.com/personal-fina ... x-14724964


I am more curious to know what software did he buy that the difference turned out to be as much as $80.
rsp