One Synth Challenge #140: Pendulate (exponent1 wins!)

[ELEX]

Is an automated notch filter, against the rules? It sounds like a phaser. Is it actually a phaser?

This is a grey area ...

Grey area ? "Automated notch-filter" is the very definition of a phaser. I don't see how it matters if it's done with a dedicated plugin or DAW-automation.

[Spring Goose]

Is an automated notch filter, against the rules? It sounds like a phaser. Is it actually a phaser?

This is a grey area ...

"Automated notch-filter" is the very definition of a phaser.

OK i didn't know that.

[ELEX]

@ Spring Goose
Dedicated phasers have more than one notch though ( four or six, I think, in the old days ; optionally more these day ), but the effect is the same, as you already noticed. May your feathers shine and your tracks too !

[exponent1]

Is an automated notch filter, against the rules? It sounds like a phaser. Is it actually a phaser?

This is a grey area ...

Grey area ? "Automated notch-filter" is the very definition of a phaser. I don't see how it matters if it's done with a dedicated plugin or DAW-automation.

A phaser is made using an all pass filter whose delay is modulated. Not technically done using notch but the effect is similar when you automate multiple notches because non-linear eqs tend to induce phase shifts by design. And I said it's grey area just because a lot of folks have used this technique in OSC before without disqualification. That's why I even added that achieving this effect by any external means is best avoided.

[Spring Goose]

@ Spring Goose
Dedicated phasers have more than one notch though ( four or six, I think, in the old days ; optionally more these day ), but the effect is the same, as you already noticed. May your feathers shine and your tracks too !

Why thankyou!

[Taron]

Oh dear, I've played around with this thing today and I would make the prediction that this will become one messy osc, hahahaha. The synth is incredible in its own way, but I wager it will be very, very, very challenging for a sparkling OSC round.
Well, I've managed to get a decent kick and a surprisingly effective hihat, but there are a few challenges again with the DC snap at the end... loads and loads of clicking it will be.
Thus far I haven't figured out what really controls the volume here, because ...well... I can't yet see a definite access of any envelope to any gain, except the subs, possible. More later...

[ELEX]

.... And I said it's grey area just because a lot of folks have used this technique in OSC before without disqualification. That's why I even added that achieving this effect by any external means is best avoided.

No DQ ? That's quite amazing, given the sonic similarities to regular all-pass based phasers.
Cheaters ! Best avoided, indeed !

[ELEX]

Thus far I haven't figured out what really controls the volume here, because ...well... I can't yet see a definite access of any envelope to any gain, except the subs, possible. More later...

It has no EG-VCA structure but a Low Pass Gate ( hence the relatively long minimum release time, I'd say ). it lingers a bit on a very low level, too. Mostly noticeable with the wavefolder drive maxed out. Causes some late clicks then. A gate after the synth can help.

[schiing]

[oops, nevermind]

[IV!]

Here is another question for experienced participants from the favorite series "can I use this? ", since this is a rather unique plugin and I did not find a clear permission or prohibition in the rules. I'm talking about EnveLover, which works as an midi-controlled envelope-gate, and gates are sort of allowed... What do you think about it
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/envelo ... press-play

[Taron]

Here's a tune - it might be my submission, but, hey, the month is still young. We'll see. I've been on an 80's spree for a while, but this one definitely owes more to the '70s - well, that was the plan, anyway!
Cool synth for moody patches! Surprisingly easy to eq: Even though I had no idea what I was doing with the filters inside the synth, most of the patches came out with a pretty nice curve.

Incredible! This is already coming out brilliantly!

[schiing]

Thanks, Taron!

[doctorbob]

I would think Envelover would be OK as it's a midi triggered "gate" - to that extent it's not changing the sonic side of the synth like e.g. chorus, flanging, distortion, just helping to control/modify the envelope of the sound ...

I might use it also, if no-one objects too strongly

dB

PS Nice 70's sounds there Terje ...

[Taron]

Pffff...since when would anyone object to using notes being triggered?! ...impossible, you must feel despair and grief when you painstakingly enter each note of a chord for individually created tracks by hand...uhm..wait...is it allowed to put notes in a sequencer by hand?
...next thing you know, somebody has to ask for permission to record automation of parameters, hehe!

[FrogsInPants]

Envelover looks like just a convenient alternative means of volume automation. I wouldn't expect that to be remotely controversial, especially given the routine use of compressors.