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thecontrolcentre wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:58 pm
Spring Goose wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:33 pm I had a Novation midi keyboard, which the software was supposed to intelligently assign the pots for your soft synth; it was rubbish, and later the pots apparently "dead" (twist it for midi learn, nothing). Years ago i had a Doepfer Pocket Control which i never could get working.
I've owned both for around 20 years. Never had a problem with either. If you're not good with midi, you might want to reconsider getting a hw synth until you are. Do you still have the Pocket Controller? Its a cool, rare bit of kit these days.
No i don't have it anymore.

Yeah i looked at the "midi implementation" sheet for the JD-Xa, and it's quite intimidating. I think i'll be alright with the synth though, the menus don't look overcomplicated, and i'll just be recording it live as audio into the DAW. It's got its own sequencer on board so i won't need to using it with external sequencer.

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Spring Goose wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:47 pm Do i need a small mixer if i have a hardware synth? (to monitor) or does the audio come through my computer on USB connection if it has one? Thanks.
At the time when was short on audio inputs on interface, I just used a patch bay and plugged one synth at the time into computer. I never needed more at one time anyway.

When done recording midi for that synth I recorded audio and used next synth on same inputs, or guitars or vocals or whatever.

There are some synths that do audio over usb, but it will limit what you can purchase a lot. Not sure if you get enough short latency on that anyway.

But if interface has ADAT optical input, there are racks units with 8 inputs to get more audio inputs - would get 4 stereo ins. Really smooth way rather than getting bauta interface.

But in the end, you really don't need all external gear running in realtime to computer sequencer - unless performing live.

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lfm wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:57 pm
Spring Goose wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:47 pm Do i need a small mixer if i have a hardware synth? (to monitor) or does the audio come through my computer on USB connection if it has one? Thanks.
At the time when was short on audio inputs on interface, I just used a patch bay and plugged one synth at the time into computer. I never needed more at one time anyway.

When done recording midi for that synth I recorded audio and used next synth on same inputs, or guitars or vocals or whatever.

There are some synths that do audio over usb, but it will limit what you can purchase a lot. Not sure if you get enough short latency on that anyway.

But if interface has ADAT optical input, there are racks units with 8 inputs to get more audio inputs - would get 4 stereo ins. Really smooth way rather than getting bauta interface.

But in the end, you really don't need all external gear running in realtime to computer sequencer - unless performing live.
Thanks :)

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People hate on Behringer, but their rack stuff is pretty well built, if you need to use ADAT to add 8 inputs/outputs to extend an interface then I highly recommend the Behringer Ultragain Digital ADA8200 you can get them for about £150 new.
NB you won't be able to plug one directly into your computer it just extends the I/O for an existing interface that has ADAT input(s)/output(s). I use an Arturia Audiofuse and it's a good fit because I wouldn't use the ADA8200 for mic or guitar inputs, but it's fine for handling the line level output from synths. There are cheaper options available that also include the ADAT expander port(s) or you could just buy an interface that already has 8 ports, there are a fair few around.

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WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:11 pm People hate on Behringer, but their rack stuff is pretty well built, if you need to use ADAT to add 8 inputs/outputs to extend an interface then I highly recommend the Behringer Ultragain Digital ADA8200 you can get them for about £150 new.
NB you won't be able to plug one directly into your computer it just extends the I/O for an existing interface that has ADAT input(s)/output(s). I use an Arturia Audiofuse and it's a good fit because I wouldn't use the ADA8200 for mic or guitar inputs, but it's fine for handling the line level output from synths. There are cheaper options available that also include the ADAT expander port(s) or you could just buy an interface that already has 8 ports, there are a fair few around.
Thanks for the heads up. I'm looking at JD-Xa, it doesn't have ADAT.

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no, your audio interface would, then you can add inputs.
do you have inputs on your audio interface?
you can use those, i have synths going straight in to mine. no mixer.

although i do sometimes use a mixer, if i need nore channels, as i only record straight to two track, no need for extra inputs the adat way :)
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vurt wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:09 pm no, your audio interface would, then you can add inputs.
do you have inputs on your audio interface?
you can use those, i have synths going straight in to mine. no mixer.

although i do sometimes use a mixer, if i need nore channels, as i only record straight to two track, no need for extra inputs the adat way :)
Yeah it's 2 line/mic in, which will suffice whilst i only have the 1 synthesizer. I weren't sure if i'd benefit from having a small mixer because of the latency. I weren't sure if the USB connection puts audio for recording.

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yeah, you can go stereo there, so you're covered.
even if you get a second synth, you can worry about more channels.
a mixer wouldnt add any noticeable latency, but its an extra bit of noise you dont need if you only have the one synth :)
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vurt wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:42 pm :tu:
yeah, you can go stereo there, so you're covered.
even if you get a second synth, you can worry about more channels.
a mixer wouldnt add any noticeable latency, but its an extra bit of noise you dont need if you only have the one synth :)
no i meant a mixer would reduce the latency than monitoring through the computer :)

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ah no, well, maybe if the latency is that bad??
ive not really heard much complaints about latency in recent years. yes, it still exists obvs! we cannae break the laws of physics jim! but most audio cards now have manageable latency as our machines are much betterer!! :D
but id wait and see, no point spending money on unnecessarys!
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vurt wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:57 pm ah no, well, maybe if the latency is that bad??
ive not really heard much complaints about latency in recent years. yes, it still exists obvs! we cannae break the laws of physics jim! but most audio cards now have manageable latency as our machines are much betterer!! :D
but id wait and see, no point spending money on unnecessarys!
you're right mate :)

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Spring Goose wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:53 pm i meant a mixer would reduce the latency than monitoring through the computer :)
It won't ... your soundcard probably has a direct monitoring option if latency is a problem.

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thecontrolcentre wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:02 pm
Spring Goose wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:53 pm i meant a mixer would reduce the latency than monitoring through the computer :)
It won't ... your soundcard probably has a direct monitoring option if latency is a problem.
cheers controlcentre :) yes it does

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