Bazille 1.1.1 RC revision 10667

[pdxindy]

The experience with Zebra's "2.3 compatibility mode" is why we don't do anything similar. It adds bloat and maintenance obstacles. It quite literally doubles the effort to test things.

Most importantly, the new behaviour is the result of fixing a dozen long standing bug reports (also from Hive etc.). In my opinion some of these bugs were directly related to the release behaviour. Hence, a backward compatibility mode would not have fixed it and we'd still carry those around.

Regarding the loss of envelope trigger on NoteOn, I have thought about adding a "LFO+Gate" trigger to envelopes. My reluctance here is that we have recently introduced trigger sources as a category of modulation signals into our toolbox (see e.g. S&H in Hive's ModMatrix). While we have not decided on how to move on with Bazille in the coming years, feature wise, I do not want to close the path to replace the current envelope behaviour with one based on those trigger categories, and atm, "LFO+Gate" is not one of them. And maybe a "+Gate" switch on the envelopes would be better anyway, but that was out of the question for this update.

Be useful to have a solution for that.

And as someone who has 'lost' (I've adjusted most of them and a few are lost) I'm glad you decided against a compatibility mode. This is cleaner.

[pdxindy]

It is interesting to speculate what Hive-like steps Urs has possibly in mind for Bazille. Think of it, he did not find wavetables that interesting from synthesis point of view. But U-he came up with UHM based 2 dimensional wavetables next to shape sequencers and function generators. What if? Urs mentioned many time before that also sampling is not a preferred type of synthesis, so how to bend that one in a creative way ? Bazille is modular synth, thus what creative things can be done with a modular setup which is not just plain sample playback? Capture something in a time or trigger based fashion from Bazille into buffers? Nice to know that there is interesting things ahead for Bazille.

Hehehe, my wishlist for Bazille is led by souping up Slew Generators and Quantizers

OTOH sampling is not too far off. The first ever feature request for Bazille was a delay for comb filtering. That was from before I ever had experience with the concepts of West Coast or Musique Concrète. Nowadays hardware modules like Morphagene often merge the concepts of sampling/recording, delays and comb filters. I never use them, though. Much like I never used wavetables before Hive got them. (Be aware that there's no promise within these lines, just random ramblings about something I haven't spent any time to think about)

+1 on the souped up slew and quantize! Plus one more S&H and Quantizer (see mirror option)

I've had the fantasy of a modal resonator in Bazille. I'd like the ResEQ from Repro in Bazille. It would be handy to have a copy/paste Osc function. Obvious it could only copy inputs, not outputs.

I'd like a mirror option like Hive. 2 Osc's a filter, 1 LFO, 2 Envelopes etc. Because all (most?) of the modules are computed it is not more CPU hungry to make a stereo pair for simpler presets. Making a voice stacking of 2 is fast but uses more CPU. Making a stereo pair by hand is a bit tedious but better for CPU use.

EDIT: Another idea I've had for Bazille is a small snapshot pane. Say 4 snapshots of the knob settings. (only works with the same wiring/menu options) And a knob that morphs between the 4. The morphing part would be cool cause it gives a way to modulate a variety of un-modulatable parameters. The 4 snapshots also is useful as variations on a common theme instead of needing to save multiple similar presets.

[audiot]

Sadly, Bazille is one of our least popular synths. Normal companies would have discontinued it.

Sorry to be the the guy that always complains about UI and usability , but that could be related to the UI. Artistically it's great, but from my personal experience i can say that Bazille get's used a lot more since i'm using the tokyo ghost skin from plugmon.

The hype around that new synth Vital (or "Viral" as i call it ) strengthens my point of view, that usability might be more important to a lot of users than the sound. Vital has some neat features and a good UI, but the overall sound and the filters are debatable ... carefully said (hopefully none of these agressive Vital fanboys comes here to correct me )

Anyway. Thanks for the update and keep it up

[nilhartman]

Gearporn's UI/UX is perfect as is IMHO.

I don't know how could Bazille be improved really. I have a weird fantasy of a switch that would turn the whole synth engine into an additive synth akin to Razor / Harmor... but I'm not sure it'll ever happen (that's an understatement haha).

Nah, seriously, I'd be curious to hear how a mega ultra HD mode would sound ?

[audiot]

Gearporn's UI/UX is perfect as is IMHO.

I don't know how could Bazille be improved really. I have a weird fantasy of a switch that would turn the whole synth engine into an additive synth akin to Razor / Harmor... but I'm not sure it'll ever happen (that's an understatement haha).

Nah, seriously, I'd be curious to hear how a mega ultra HD mode would sound ?

Sorry to say that, but Harmor is a perfect example for suboptimal UI design

But Gearporn is indeed the better option if you dont want to buy an additional skin, as you have all controls one one page (as far as i remember). I prefer tokyo ghost for better overview over the modulation dephts (the colored rings around the main controls). And for the bigger controls and labels. If i had to dream about Bazille, i would imagine some mod matrix slots on the left or right side that show the cable routing. Sound wise there is nothing to improve in my opinion

[BSB]

Bump for Urs or U-he team. Merci

Merci for all the hard work here.

Would there be a way to run the old and new versions of Baz at the same time ?

I have over 100e invested in Leap Into The Void Bazille Soundsets which are very good, was Mikael one of the sound designers that responded btw ?

I did not save my old Bazille installers but can I go back to the old version if worse come worse ?

[pdxindy]

Gearporn's UI/UX is perfect as is IMHO.

I don't know how could Bazille be improved really. I have a weird fantasy of a switch that would turn the whole synth engine into an additive synth akin to Razor / Harmor... but I'm not sure it'll ever happen (that's an understatement haha).

Nah, seriously, I'd be curious to hear how a mega ultra HD mode would sound ?

Sorry to say that, but Harmor is a perfect example for suboptimal UI design

But Gearporn is indeed the better option if you dont want to buy an additional skin, as you have all controls one one page (as far as i remember). I prefer tokyo ghost for better overview over the modulation dephts (the colored rings around the main controls). And for the bigger controls and labels. If i had to dream about Bazille, i would imagine some mod matrix slots on the left or right side that show the cable routing. Sound wise there is nothing to improve in my opinion

I have the Tokyo Ghost skin. I like it and used it for a while. Then I ended up back on the Gearporn skin.

[audiot]

I have the Tokyo Ghost skin. I like it and used it for a while. Then I ended up back on the Gearporn skin.

Can i ask why? The overall structure is more logical to me. Then you have the mod depth rings and the the larger controls? But i agree, that the tokyo skin is not perfect. He promised to release a dark version a few moths ago (i prefer dark skins). At the moment it's the best option (in my opinion ... i know, that it's a highly subjective topic ).

[pdxindy]

I have the Tokyo Ghost skin. I like it and used it for a while. Then I ended up back on the Gearporn skin.

Can i ask why? The overall structure is more logical to me. Then you have the mod depth rings and the the larger controls? But i agree, that the tokyo skin is not perfect. He promised to release a dark version a few moths ago (i prefer dark skins). At the moment it's the best option (in my opinion ... i know, that it's a highly subjective topic ).

I had some reasons... but I actually don't remember now

Is Tokyo Ghost working fine with this new version?

[JoeCat]

...It would be handy to have a copy/paste Osc function. Obvious it could only copy inputs, not outputs.
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That's always high on my list for any synth. I love the way it's implemented in Abelton Operator (right-click command "Copy from Oscillator A", etc.). One click and done.

Great workflow feature that stays out of the way for people who don't need it and has no effect on backwards compatibility.

[audiot]

Is Tokyo Ghost working fine with this new version?

Yes i've installed the latest version from this thread one hour ago. No problems as it seems! BUT i can remember that i also had some problems with tokyo ghost and the cables (they had some weird glitches). I had to set them to "see thru" and "line". Dont know if this is still a problem? As long as it works, i dont care.

[Sound Author]

Anyone else having to click twice on a port to drag a wire? Live 10/Windows 10.

[nilhartman]

Sorry to say that, but Harmor is a perfect example for suboptimal UI design

Oh definitely I just happen to love the super sharp, surgical sound of these 2 additive synths, with ultra fast partial modulations and all... and my mind has been dreaming of a sort of additive Bazille. Or a u-he Razor

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I have the Tokyo Ghost skin. I like it and used it for a while. Then I ended up back on the Gearporn skin.

Can i ask why? The overall structure is more logical to me. Then you have the mod depth rings and the the larger controls? But i agree, that the tokyo skin is not perfect. He promised to release a dark version a few moths ago (i prefer dark skins). At the moment it's the best option (in my opinion ... i know, that it's a highly subjective topic ).

I've said it before, for my money, Tokyo Ghost is the absolute best third-party skin for any synth I've ever used. It makes Bazille much easier to use/understand. The modules are logically laid out, everything's on one page, the modulation depth and visualizations are crystal clear, great contrast and a nice, clean look. Reminds me of a Eurorack or VCV setup. I probably wouldn't use Bazille much if not for Tokyo Ghost TBH. Every time I open up Gearporn, I feel lost. When I use Tokyo Ghost I feel right at home with Bazille.

[audiot]

Sorry to say that, but Harmor is a perfect example for suboptimal UI design

Oh definitely I just happen to love the super sharp, surgical sound of these 2 additive synths, with ultra fast partial modulations and all... and my mind has been dreaming of a sort of additive Bazille. Or a u-he Razor

Ah okay ... my fault I tried to get into Harmor, but somehow it didnt work for me. The UI was the main reason i think I watched some tutorials from SeamlessR, a very talented youtuber, and he knows that thing by heart, but for me it didnt work. His tutorials are definitly worth checking if you like Harmor. I'm using SynthMasters additive module sometimes, but very rarely to be true.