VST Replacement for Reason's Drum Sequencer?

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KVRist
373 posts since 28 Jul, 2006

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:58 am

Drum Sequencer does not work correctly when making timing changes in a song using the reason rack vst (probably works perfect inside the Reason DAW). I won't hold my breath that they'll ever even *think* about fixing this.

I really like how easy it is to 1. create polyrhythms, and 2. add randomization to specific hits. Is there another vst drum sequencer or rack extension that I can demo that has both of these things, can deal with timing changes, and is easy and intuitive to use like Drum Sequencer?

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KVRAF
8307 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:02 pm

briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:58 am
Drum Sequencer does not work correctly when making timing changes in a song using the reason rack vst...
What is exactly the problem you're experiencing? And in which DAW?

Otherwise, perhaps this one: https://audiomodern.com/shop/plugins/playbeat/
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KVRist

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373 posts since 28 Jul, 2006

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:43 pm

antic604 wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:02 pm
briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:58 am
Drum Sequencer does not work correctly when making timing changes in a song using the reason rack vst...
What is exactly the problem you're experiencing? And in which DAW?

Otherwise, perhaps this one: https://audiomodern.com/shop/plugins/playbeat/
I just watched a demo of that and didn't see the functionality that I described.

I really didnt want to have to explain this, but In drum sequencer the playback cursor is always tied to the DAW's playback cursor. When you switch to a new pattern with a different timing, that new pattern won't necessarily start looping at the beginning of the pattern, it will start looping from the point the cursor *would* have been at if you had been playing that pattern since bar:beat 0:0 in the project.

This is fine if you use the same time signature for your entire song AND your song starts at 0:0 in the timeline. This is not fine if you do anything interesting with switching up timings throughout the song.

KVRist
474 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:05 pm

Try different drum sequencers. There are many:

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/stocha ... synth-team

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/punch-2-by-rob-papen

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/stix-by-xils-lab

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/tremor-by-fxpansion - Oops, this one was discontinued, sorry...

EDIT: I cannot understand your requirements. I think it's only you who can determine if it works or doesn't.
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KVRist
336 posts since 8 Feb, 2011

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:14 pm

(dunno about your explicit problem - though i think i've seen some comment about it - have to browse...)
For rack extensions you could try Kompulsion
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... ompulsion/

KVRAF
28116 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:16 pm

It won't help you, but, Cubase's Beat Designer looks pretty similar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlJtLG9juNU

Not sure if it really does what you ask for though.
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KVRAF
8307 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:34 pm

briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:43 pm
...In drum sequencer the playback cursor is always tied to the DAW's playback cursor. When you switch to a new pattern with a different timing, that new pattern won't necessarily start looping at the beginning of the pattern, it will start looping from the point the cursor *would* have been at if you had been playing that pattern since bar:beat 0:0 in the project.
How about you bounce the MIDI out of Drum Sequencer to a new track and then just place the clips where you need nudging them left or right to have them start are needed? You're refusing to say which DAW you're using, so it's hard to suggest how to do it.

None of the VSTs suggested thus far can do what Drum Sequencer is doing, BTW.

briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:43 pm
I really didnt want to have to explain this...
This is a pretty shitty way to approach things, but fine.
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KVRist
377 posts since 20 Jun, 2005

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:44 pm

Izotope's BreakTweaker can latch sequences and do polyrhythms.

No randomization tho.

KVRist

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373 posts since 28 Jul, 2006

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:28 pm

antic604 wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:34 pm
briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:43 pm
...In drum sequencer the playback cursor is always tied to the DAW's playback cursor. When you switch to a new pattern with a different timing, that new pattern won't necessarily start looping at the beginning of the pattern, it will start looping from the point the cursor *would* have been at if you had been playing that pattern since bar:beat 0:0 in the project.
How about you bounce the MIDI out of Drum Sequencer to a new track and then just place the clips where you need nudging them left or right to have them start are needed? You're refusing to say which DAW you're using, so it's hard to suggest how to do it.

None of the VSTs suggested thus far can do what Drum Sequencer is doing, BTW.

briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:43 pm
I really didnt want to have to explain this...
This is a pretty shitty way to approach things, but fine.
Now we're in the weeds about dumb stuff that is irrelevant, which is precisely what I didn't want. Drum Sequencer doesn't work correctly with timing switches in RRP. Yes I can sequence midi inside my DAW outside the reason rack environment, I specifically don't want this sort of workflow which is the entire reason I like using drum sequencer instead of just doing it by hand on one of my multiple DAWs.

If you think it's "shitty" then please leave the thread. Your presence here is completely unnecessary unless you have a suggestion about a drum sequencer that fits my requirements. An argument about Drum Sequencer functionality or Reason is pointless.

KVRist
87 posts since 16 Feb, 2011

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:32 pm

How about HY RPE-2? It's aimed at drum sequencing, but can be used more broadly. It offers grid and euclidean engines.

https://hy-plugins.com/product/hy-rpewin-mac/

KVRist

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373 posts since 28 Jul, 2006

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:56 pm

greenmind72 wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:32 pm
How about HY RPE-2? It's aimed at drum sequencing, but can be used more broadly. It offers grid and euclidean engines.

https://hy-plugins.com/product/hy-rpewin-mac/
This looks pretty interesting even if it doesn't perfectly fit my requirements. Might be worth a demo.

KVRist
35 posts since 19 Jan, 2021

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:06 pm

My favorite Drumsequencer is the KI Sequencer:
https://killihu.vstskins.com/sequencer-ki/

Do a lot things right. But unfortunaly Live10 and Max for live needed.

KVRist
42 posts since 23 Dec, 2007

Post Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:03 am

briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:28 pm
antic604 wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:34 pm
briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:43 pm
...In drum sequencer the playback cursor is always tied to the DAW's playback cursor. When you switch to a new pattern with a different timing, that new pattern won't necessarily start looping at the beginning of the pattern, it will start looping from the point the cursor *would* have been at if you had been playing that pattern since bar:beat 0:0 in the project.
How about you bounce the MIDI out of Drum Sequencer to a new track and then just place the clips where you need nudging them left or right to have them start are needed? You're refusing to say which DAW you're using, so it's hard to suggest how to do it.

None of the VSTs suggested thus far can do what Drum Sequencer is doing, BTW.

briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:43 pm
I really didnt want to have to explain this...
This is a pretty shitty way to approach things, but fine.
Now we're in the weeds about dumb stuff that is irrelevant, which is precisely what I didn't want. Drum Sequencer doesn't work correctly with timing switches in RRP. Yes I can sequence midi inside my DAW outside the reason rack environment, I specifically don't want this sort of workflow which is the entire reason I like using drum sequencer instead of just doing it by hand on one of my multiple DAWs.

If you think it's "shitty" then please leave the thread. Your presence here is completely unnecessary unless you have a suggestion about a drum sequencer that fits my requirements. An argument about Drum Sequencer functionality or Reason is pointless.
He was trying to help. You are coming across really unkind.

KVRAF
1639 posts since 2 Jul, 2010

Post Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:49 am

Can we talk about how the Reason DAW has a really neat "Groove Mixer" that manipulates timing and velocity, but there's no practical way to use it in a workflow alongside the many sequencers in the rack? (Including Redrum and Dr Rex!)

This pushes me away from using (fun!) sequencers and towards using the somewhat clunky MIDI editor :(

KVRist

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373 posts since 28 Jul, 2006

Post Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:22 am

eclipxe wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:03 am
briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:28 pm
antic604 wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:34 pm
briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:43 pm
...In drum sequencer the playback cursor is always tied to the DAW's playback cursor. When you switch to a new pattern with a different timing, that new pattern won't necessarily start looping at the beginning of the pattern, it will start looping from the point the cursor *would* have been at if you had been playing that pattern since bar:beat 0:0 in the project.
How about you bounce the MIDI out of Drum Sequencer to a new track and then just place the clips where you need nudging them left or right to have them start are needed? You're refusing to say which DAW you're using, so it's hard to suggest how to do it.

None of the VSTs suggested thus far can do what Drum Sequencer is doing, BTW.

briefcasemanx wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:43 pm
I really didnt want to have to explain this...
This is a pretty shitty way to approach things, but fine.
Now we're in the weeds about dumb stuff that is irrelevant, which is precisely what I didn't want. Drum Sequencer doesn't work correctly with timing switches in RRP. Yes I can sequence midi inside my DAW outside the reason rack environment, I specifically don't want this sort of workflow which is the entire reason I like using drum sequencer instead of just doing it by hand on one of my multiple DAWs.

If you think it's "shitty" then please leave the thread. Your presence here is completely unnecessary unless you have a suggestion about a drum sequencer that fits my requirements. An argument about Drum Sequencer functionality or Reason is pointless.
He was trying to help. You are coming across really unkind.
He was not, but you aren't privy the metacontext of the discussion, so your response is understandable.

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