VST Replacement for Reason's Drum Sequencer?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1574 posts since 28 Jul, 2006
Drum Sequencer does not work correctly when making timing changes in a song using the reason rack vst (probably works perfect inside the Reason DAW). I won't hold my breath that they'll ever even *think* about fixing this.
I really like how easy it is to 1. create polyrhythms, and 2. add randomization to specific hits. Is there another vst drum sequencer or rack extension that I can demo that has both of these things, can deal with timing changes, and is easy and intuitive to use like Drum Sequencer?
I really like how easy it is to 1. create polyrhythms, and 2. add randomization to specific hits. Is there another vst drum sequencer or rack extension that I can demo that has both of these things, can deal with timing changes, and is easy and intuitive to use like Drum Sequencer?
- Banned
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
What is exactly the problem you're experiencing? And in which DAW?briefcasemanx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:58 pmDrum Sequencer does not work correctly when making timing changes in a song using the reason rack vst...
Otherwise, perhaps this one: https://audiomodern.com/shop/plugins/playbeat/
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1574 posts since 28 Jul, 2006
I just watched a demo of that and didn't see the functionality that I described.antic604 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:02 pmWhat is exactly the problem you're experiencing? And in which DAW?briefcasemanx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:58 pmDrum Sequencer does not work correctly when making timing changes in a song using the reason rack vst...
Otherwise, perhaps this one: https://audiomodern.com/shop/plugins/playbeat/
I really didnt want to have to explain this, but In drum sequencer the playback cursor is always tied to the DAW's playback cursor. When you switch to a new pattern with a different timing, that new pattern won't necessarily start looping at the beginning of the pattern, it will start looping from the point the cursor *would* have been at if you had been playing that pattern since bar:beat 0:0 in the project.
This is fine if you use the same time signature for your entire song AND your song starts at 0:0 in the timeline. This is not fine if you do anything interesting with switching up timings throughout the song.
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- KVRian
- 657 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Try different drum sequencers. There are many:
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/stocha ... synth-team
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/punch-2-by-rob-papen
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/stix-by-xils-lab
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/tremor-by-fxpansion - Oops, this one was discontinued, sorry...
EDIT: I cannot understand your requirements. I think it's only you who can determine if it works or doesn't.
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/stocha ... synth-team
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/punch-2-by-rob-papen
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/stix-by-xils-lab
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/tremor-by-fxpansion - Oops, this one was discontinued, sorry...
EDIT: I cannot understand your requirements. I think it's only you who can determine if it works or doesn't.
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- KVRist
- 394 posts since 8 Feb, 2011
(dunno about your explicit problem - though i think i've seen some comment about it - have to browse...)
For rack extensions you could try Kompulsion
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... ompulsion/
For rack extensions you could try Kompulsion
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... ompulsion/
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- KVRAF
- 35424 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
It won't help you, but, Cubase's Beat Designer looks pretty similar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlJtLG9juNU
Not sure if it really does what you ask for though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlJtLG9juNU
Not sure if it really does what you ask for though.
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
How about you bounce the MIDI out of Drum Sequencer to a new track and then just place the clips where you need nudging them left or right to have them start are needed? You're refusing to say which DAW you're using, so it's hard to suggest how to do it.briefcasemanx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:43 pm...In drum sequencer the playback cursor is always tied to the DAW's playback cursor. When you switch to a new pattern with a different timing, that new pattern won't necessarily start looping at the beginning of the pattern, it will start looping from the point the cursor *would* have been at if you had been playing that pattern since bar:beat 0:0 in the project.
None of the VSTs suggested thus far can do what Drum Sequencer is doing, BTW.
This is a pretty shitty way to approach things, but fine.
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- KVRist
- 439 posts since 20 Jun, 2005
Izotope's BreakTweaker can latch sequences and do polyrhythms.
No randomization tho.
No randomization tho.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1574 posts since 28 Jul, 2006
Now we're in the weeds about dumb stuff that is irrelevant, which is precisely what I didn't want. Drum Sequencer doesn't work correctly with timing switches in RRP. Yes I can sequence midi inside my DAW outside the reason rack environment, I specifically don't want this sort of workflow which is the entire reason I like using drum sequencer instead of just doing it by hand on one of my multiple DAWs.antic604 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:34 pmHow about you bounce the MIDI out of Drum Sequencer to a new track and then just place the clips where you need nudging them left or right to have them start are needed? You're refusing to say which DAW you're using, so it's hard to suggest how to do it.briefcasemanx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:43 pm...In drum sequencer the playback cursor is always tied to the DAW's playback cursor. When you switch to a new pattern with a different timing, that new pattern won't necessarily start looping at the beginning of the pattern, it will start looping from the point the cursor *would* have been at if you had been playing that pattern since bar:beat 0:0 in the project.
None of the VSTs suggested thus far can do what Drum Sequencer is doing, BTW.
This is a pretty shitty way to approach things, but fine.
If you think it's "shitty" then please leave the thread. Your presence here is completely unnecessary unless you have a suggestion about a drum sequencer that fits my requirements. An argument about Drum Sequencer functionality or Reason is pointless.
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- KVRist
- 128 posts since 16 Feb, 2011
How about HY RPE-2? It's aimed at drum sequencing, but can be used more broadly. It offers grid and euclidean engines.
https://hy-plugins.com/product/hy-rpewin-mac/
https://hy-plugins.com/product/hy-rpewin-mac/
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1574 posts since 28 Jul, 2006
This looks pretty interesting even if it doesn't perfectly fit my requirements. Might be worth a demo.greenmind72 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:32 am How about HY RPE-2? It's aimed at drum sequencing, but can be used more broadly. It offers grid and euclidean engines.
https://hy-plugins.com/product/hy-rpewin-mac/
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- KVRist
- 35 posts since 19 Jan, 2021
My favorite Drumsequencer is the KI Sequencer:
https://killihu.vstskins.com/sequencer-ki/
Do a lot things right. But unfortunaly Live10 and Max for live needed.
https://killihu.vstskins.com/sequencer-ki/
Do a lot things right. But unfortunaly Live10 and Max for live needed.
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- KVRist
- 62 posts since 23 Dec, 2007
He was trying to help. You are coming across really unkind.briefcasemanx wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 amNow we're in the weeds about dumb stuff that is irrelevant, which is precisely what I didn't want. Drum Sequencer doesn't work correctly with timing switches in RRP. Yes I can sequence midi inside my DAW outside the reason rack environment, I specifically don't want this sort of workflow which is the entire reason I like using drum sequencer instead of just doing it by hand on one of my multiple DAWs.antic604 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:34 pmHow about you bounce the MIDI out of Drum Sequencer to a new track and then just place the clips where you need nudging them left or right to have them start are needed? You're refusing to say which DAW you're using, so it's hard to suggest how to do it.briefcasemanx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:43 pm...In drum sequencer the playback cursor is always tied to the DAW's playback cursor. When you switch to a new pattern with a different timing, that new pattern won't necessarily start looping at the beginning of the pattern, it will start looping from the point the cursor *would* have been at if you had been playing that pattern since bar:beat 0:0 in the project.
None of the VSTs suggested thus far can do what Drum Sequencer is doing, BTW.
This is a pretty shitty way to approach things, but fine.
If you think it's "shitty" then please leave the thread. Your presence here is completely unnecessary unless you have a suggestion about a drum sequencer that fits my requirements. An argument about Drum Sequencer functionality or Reason is pointless.
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- KVRAF
- 2565 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
Can we talk about how the Reason DAW has a really neat "Groove Mixer" that manipulates timing and velocity, but there's no practical way to use it in a workflow alongside the many sequencers in the rack? (Including Redrum and Dr Rex!)
This pushes me away from using (fun!) sequencers and towards using the somewhat clunky MIDI editor
This pushes me away from using (fun!) sequencers and towards using the somewhat clunky MIDI editor
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1574 posts since 28 Jul, 2006
He was not, but you aren't privy the metacontext of the discussion, so your response is understandable.eclipxe wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:03 amHe was trying to help. You are coming across really unkind.briefcasemanx wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 amNow we're in the weeds about dumb stuff that is irrelevant, which is precisely what I didn't want. Drum Sequencer doesn't work correctly with timing switches in RRP. Yes I can sequence midi inside my DAW outside the reason rack environment, I specifically don't want this sort of workflow which is the entire reason I like using drum sequencer instead of just doing it by hand on one of my multiple DAWs.antic604 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:34 pmHow about you bounce the MIDI out of Drum Sequencer to a new track and then just place the clips where you need nudging them left or right to have them start are needed? You're refusing to say which DAW you're using, so it's hard to suggest how to do it.briefcasemanx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:43 pm...In drum sequencer the playback cursor is always tied to the DAW's playback cursor. When you switch to a new pattern with a different timing, that new pattern won't necessarily start looping at the beginning of the pattern, it will start looping from the point the cursor *would* have been at if you had been playing that pattern since bar:beat 0:0 in the project.
None of the VSTs suggested thus far can do what Drum Sequencer is doing, BTW.
This is a pretty shitty way to approach things, but fine.
If you think it's "shitty" then please leave the thread. Your presence here is completely unnecessary unless you have a suggestion about a drum sequencer that fits my requirements. An argument about Drum Sequencer functionality or Reason is pointless.