gentleclockdivider wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:37 am
mholloway wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:23 pm
briefcasemanx wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:18 pm
Looks amazing. Kinda want to buy it just because I love the UI.
Can someone explain the adsr problem, Im not well versed in FM.
If someone who swears by them can post a patch that can ONLY be made with rate-level envelopes, I'm all ears....at present, I'm pretty convinced there's No Such Thing.
Here is just one example of a standard rate /level envelope on one operator directly to output .
Please post a screenshot of the same envelope with a standard ADSR
And her is a sound example , operator 2:1 ratio
You will hear the modulation fade in(rise , then fade out (fall ) ..then again rise up until sustain phase and again fade out ..which is the release phase .
You can not do that with a standard adsr
It seems yo have not really explored level rates envelopes AT ALL
Always nice to disprove people with facts and actual examples instead of opinions
( which is why so many dislike me on the forum )
I rest my case
I guess what I should have said is "if someone who swears by them can post a [GOOD] patch that can ONLY be made with rate-level envelopes, I'm all ears...I'm pretty convinced there's No Such Thing."
But, fair enough, that's not what I said, so you are "right". Please apply your new Badge to your Boy Scout Shirt and wear it with pride, you obviously need the affirmation.
I didn't express it well / accurately the first time around, but my point about rate-level is that I've never heard them used in a manner that was interesting / useful / exciting enough for me to conclude "I'd rather have that than standard ADSRs". I'm fully aware that an ADSR cannot make the same shapes that rate-level envelopes can, they are clearly different. What I'm not at all convinced of is that it really matters all that much. So you get one more decay-then-rise stage stuck in the middle before the sustain. I do not see this as a Sea Change of Sound Design. And when you look at how many FM synths skipped rate-level envelopes entirely, I never heard an outcry (other than from you and one, maybe two other dudes online) about how this is some substantial hit to our ability to program the synths.
It makes them a lot more complicated to program -- for most people (obviously not for an incredible human being like you, though). And my point is that the 'benefit' of that added complication is Very Weak Sauce, in my opinion. That's what I should have said from the start. Thanks for the facts, though, you're not wrong to point them out.