Cubase Pro 10.5.20 is *no longer* the perfect DAW

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KVRist
241 posts since 26 Jun, 2016

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:16 pm

jens wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:52 pm
Sindikhate wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:37 pm
Whenever a german company tells you that they are doing something for the user... ALWAYS.. but ALWAYS question that and look for other things behind their choice. It is almost never for the user's benefit, but always something else. I would not even be surprised if the recent outage or whatever was "fake" in order to introduce something supposedly for your interest but not really...
German-hatin' much, huh? What did those bloody Krauts do to you over there in Hannover?

It is not german hating at all. For how many years people have been asking for dongle free Steinberg products and getting a NO answer? What has changed their mind now?

Let's dissect this from their announcement for a bit shall we?

1) "We have decided to adopt a new license management technology that everyone will benefit from to prepare for coming requirements."

- What are these "coming requirements" ? Who is making these requirements? Are there new laws about to come?

2) ""An authorization system shouldn’t get in your way, but support you in the onboarding process.
Anti-piracy protection technology shouldn’t restrict you as the customer, but secure your investment.
A license management shouldn’t stop you from using your products, but enable you to be creative, whenever and wherever you are."

- My elicenser has not ever gotten in my way. It does not restrict me either, and my investment is secured far more than a license stuck on a computer registry that might get corrupted, or a hard drive that might die before I can de-authorise it.
- My elicenser has not stopped me from using their products whenever and wherever I am, because I can easily just install the products without the need to deauthorise another machine in order to authorise the one I want to work on, without the need to uninstall products on my way out of someone else's system or look for folders or registry entries to remove keys.

So their whole announcement stinks to me. This is why I said.. do not trust them when they try to present something as your advantage while it has nothing at all to do with that. In fact it is a disadvantage. Many EU laws have been presented the same way and it was always clear that it was never for the benefit of the people.


Reading the customer base reactions to their announcement (on their forum and on their facebook page) someone can easily see that the users have absolutely no issues with the elicenser.

KVRAF
20702 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:49 pm

Sindikhate wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:16 pm

So their whole announcement stinks to me. This is why I said..
Nope, it's not what you said - this is what you said:
Whenever a german[sic] company tells you that they are doing something for the user... ALWAYS.. but ALWAYS question that and look for other things behind their choice. It is almost never for the user's benefit, but always something else.

KVRist
241 posts since 26 Jun, 2016

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:32 pm

jens wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:49 pm
Sindikhate wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:16 pm

So their whole announcement stinks to me. This is why I said..
Nope, it's not what you said - this is what you said:
Whenever a german[sic] company tells you that they are doing something for the user... ALWAYS.. but ALWAYS question that and look for other things behind their choice. It is almost never for the user's benefit, but always something else.
I know very well what I said. I can name you many car companies that have done the same, electronics companies, car tire companies and many other industries. But it is not relevant is it? It is never for your advantage, it is for their advantage which is fine, I just do not get the need to present it otherwise and it is definitely not guilt on their part. They exist to make money and no one can blame them for that. I just never buy the "IT IS FOR YOUR OWN ADVANTAGE". It is very lame marketing which I have mostly encountered over there. If Steinberg started having problems with piracy as of late they can come out and say that. I am sure we will support them. If they do it because they expect laws to change fine. If they do it to spy more on you like another big name in the industry does and many of their workers voiced their concerns about it, they can go do one. No?

Do you remember Article 13? It was for our own advantage apparently, no? Well it was not really... In fact this change may have something to do with Article 13 as we are coming close to the 2 year implementation this May.

KVRAF
20702 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:06 am

He loves to rant and ramble...

as Brits do. :hihi:

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KVRAF
2561 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:04 am

jens wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:06 am
He loves to rant and ramble...

as Brits do. :hihi:
Well when it comes to things Germans do, we have history there :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Forward ever, Backward never

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KVRian
839 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:33 pm

I got all excited about not needing a dongle for Steinberg Absolute anymore. Then I saw that I have my Vienna licenses on my dongle also. Sigh.

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KVRAF
1802 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:37 pm

teilo wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:33 pm
I got all excited about not needing a dongle for Steinberg Absolute anymore. Then I saw that I have my Vienna licenses on my dongle also. Sigh.
Thankfully VSL is switching to iLok. I’m looking forward to that freed up USB port.

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t ... post302591

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KVRian
839 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:09 pm

Tronam wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:37 pm
teilo wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:33 pm
I got all excited about not needing a dongle for Steinberg Absolute anymore. Then I saw that I have my Vienna licenses on my dongle also. Sigh.
Thankfully VSL is switching to iLok. I’m looking forward to that freed up USB port.

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t ... post302591
Yes! Thank's for that. Now if only Vengeance would do the same, I could get rid of my CM dongle. It still works for Reason at present, but looks like those days are numbered as Reason is going to full-on online activation.

KVRist
460 posts since 24 Apr, 2008 from USA

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:22 pm

Presonus studio one is more user friendly and much less buggy than Cubase
win10 x64. cubase 10 x64.
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KVRian
1421 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit Sol III

Post Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:18 pm

Sindikhate wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:32 pm
jens wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:49 pm
Sindikhate wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:16 pm

So their whole announcement stinks to me. This is why I said..
Nope, it's not what you said - this is what you said:
Whenever a german[sic] company tells you that they are doing something for the user... ALWAYS.. but ALWAYS question that and look for other things behind their choice. It is almost never for the user's benefit, but always something else.
I know very well what I said. I can name you many car companies that have done the same, electronics companies, car tire companies and many other industries. But it is not relevant is it? It is never for your advantage, ... remember Article 13? It was for our own advantage apparently, no? Well it was not really... In fact this change may have something to do with Article 13 as we are coming close to the 2 year implementation this May.
WTH? Seriously, what does being German have to do with it? Seems like typical corporate BS from anywhere. we are fortunate in virtual music making that we have many small devs that actually care about what we (the customer) care about. Some of the are based in Germany.

on topic: i laughed when i read the title of this thread, i'm glad it wasn't what it looks like.
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KVRAF
4559 posts since 25 Dec, 2004

Post Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:47 pm

What's the new dynamic EQ in Cubase like?
I'm close to buying Toneboosters EQ4, but will also probably activate Cubase 11 when the .5 version drops.
That said i may just wait for v12, i really have no need for upgrading yet.

KVRAF
6931 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from NZ

Post Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:35 am

I actually downgraded from Cubase 11 to Cubase 10 (Artist). Version 11 caused me a headache with spikes (random) and I couldn't solve it. Now, with version 10, it seems stable with my PC! I run it for about one hour, and there were no cpu spikes. So, mostly I will stick with it :)
Cubase Pro 11, Studio One Pro v5, NI, Arturia, u-he, Synapse Audio, Kilohearts, Korg, Sugar Bytes, PA and others.
PC with Win10, MODX 6, KeyLab MK II, iTwo interface, ATOM, DT 990 Pro and HS7 monitors.

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KVRist
208 posts since 21 Jun, 2018

Post Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:12 pm

TS-12 wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:22 pm
Presonus studio one is more user friendly and much less buggy than Cubase
Not on MacOS for many people. Studio one is a crashing hell here 5.1 and it’s been since 4.6 update. No help from support either they just said they will keep looking at it. Many people have similar problems.

Some times it even randomly crashes on an empty project without any 3rd party VSTs installed and on a clean install with all peripherals removed.

Cubase 10-11 on the other hand has crashed about 3-5 times in the last 12 months.

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KVRAF

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3148 posts since 12 May, 2011 from Everywhere and nowhere, baby

Post Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:50 am

Finally, an update (10.5.30), and hopefully the windowing bugs are fixed. It's only taken 10 months. :roll:

I'd lock the thread, but I'm not into that sort of thing.
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KVRian
1302 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Earth

Post Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:51 am

Windowing bugs? Doy you mean that Cubase disappears to the background after adding a plugin? This one is still present in Cubase 11.
The 'solution' here is to make sure all other running programs are minimized (on Windows).

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