That is EXACTLY how that should be done, so you can have a non destructive way to get back to what you had initially.antic604 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:00 am
+ I'd really love ACTUAL hybrid clips, that can contain both MIDI and audio at the same time and if you'd bounce-in-place then the MIDI would simply get muted. The "nested" MIDI could also follow all the operations on bounced audio - splitting, stretching, reversing (although this would do nothing), re-pitching, etc.
THREE features you'd pay upgrade price for?
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That might be more complicated than helpful.antic604 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:00 am
+ I'd really love ACTUAL hybrid clips, that can contain both MIDI and audio at the same time and if you'd bounce-in-place then the MIDI would simply get muted. The "nested" MIDI could also follow all the operations on bounced audio - splitting, stretching, reversing (although this would do nothing), re-pitching, etc.
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Only compared to the alternative that would be "hybrid track comping", when bounce-in-place would produce inactive comp lane that'd contain bounced MIDI
Otherwise it's both helpful and easy to understand:
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- KVRAF
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But as we know- its already built in and is probably what the devs have been using for development, so the real question is why it hasn't it already been launched!
When will the collaboration features become available?
Collaboration features are planned for future versions of Bitwig Studio. Network support is already built into the core of the software and the Bitwig Studio project file format is designed bearing collaboration features in mind. So collaboration is part of the DNA of Bitwig Studio. We are dedicated to further develop our own collaboration technology.
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it was the opinion on the FL forum too "Why did you assume us basement dwelling neckbeards have any friends?" 
https://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic. ... b#p1578185
https://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic. ... b#p1578185
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- KVRian
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Yeah, the FL guys...xbitz wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:37 pm it was the opinion on the FL forum too "Why did you assume us basement dwelling neckbeards have any friends?"
https://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic. ... b#p1578185
But I as a Bitwig user want online collaboration! Bought v1 to support this goal. I assume that once a decent online integration is there not many want to miss it. (Assuming of couse that an online collaboration solution by Bitwig is well-designed as the rest of their stuff.)
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- KVRian
- 588 posts since 26 Sep, 2007
Yeah, seamless collaboration is one of those features that no one may be asking for, but that could prove incredibly valuable once it's there even for people who didn't think they'd use it.
Personally I voted for linked clips, retrospective recording, and FL-like note editor features, however I chose that last one as more of a stand-in for better note, chord, and scale tools in general (FL isn't great in that area either). A step sequencer or at least a better (bigger) drum editor view would be more than welcome, too.
If I could pick one more vague thing that's not on the list, it'd be general "UI feel tweaks". Stuff like more consistent auto scrolling when navigating editors, remembering zoom levels and snap settings, tweaked hit zones for items, nicer feel when moving items (the fact that the original item stays in place until you release the mouse button makes it feel disconnected from the action), stuff like that, that makes using the app more fun, less fiddly, and simply "feel better". It may sound sort of subjective, but I don't think it really is, video games have turned this stuff into a science and there's no reason why productivity software shouldn't be similarly satisfying to use, especially creative software.
Personally I voted for linked clips, retrospective recording, and FL-like note editor features, however I chose that last one as more of a stand-in for better note, chord, and scale tools in general (FL isn't great in that area either). A step sequencer or at least a better (bigger) drum editor view would be more than welcome, too.
If I could pick one more vague thing that's not on the list, it'd be general "UI feel tweaks". Stuff like more consistent auto scrolling when navigating editors, remembering zoom levels and snap settings, tweaked hit zones for items, nicer feel when moving items (the fact that the original item stays in place until you release the mouse button makes it feel disconnected from the action), stuff like that, that makes using the app more fun, less fiddly, and simply "feel better". It may sound sort of subjective, but I don't think it really is, video games have turned this stuff into a science and there's no reason why productivity software shouldn't be similarly satisfying to use, especially creative software.
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ThisDionysos wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:41 pm "UI feel tweaks". Stuff like more consistent auto scrolling when navigating editors, remembering zoom levels and snap settings, tweaked hit zones for items, nicer feel when moving items (the fact that the original item stays in place until you release the mouse button makes it feel disconnected from the action), stuff like that, that makes using the app more fun, less fiddly, and simply "feel better". It may sound sort of subjective, but I don't think it really is, video games have turned this stuff into a science and there's no need why productivity software shouldn't be similarly satisfying to use, especially creative software.
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- KVRian
- 1434 posts since 27 Apr, 2012
The stuff in the list is cool but if the next update contained nothing but well-implemented audio and midi groove extraction/requantization I'd be willing to pay for it.
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Lol, that's just marketing talk from 2012 or 2013 afaik. That said, I could not care less about OC.SLiC wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:33 pmBut as we know- its already built in and is probably what the devs have been using for development, so the real question is why it hasn't it already been launched!
When will the collaboration features become available?
Collaboration features are planned for future versions of Bitwig Studio. Network support is already built into the core of the software and the Bitwig Studio project file format is designed bearing collaboration features in mind. So collaboration is part of the DNA of Bitwig Studio. We are dedicated to further develop our own collaboration technology.
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- KVRist
- 454 posts since 21 Feb, 2012
These are my favorites by priorities:
1- FL Studio like piano-roll features.
2- Audio & Midi Comping.
3- MSEG.
4- Automation Clips.
5- Audio to Midi.
6- Step Recording.
7- ARA Support.
Hope the first 3 or 4 comes true for the near future.
1- FL Studio like piano-roll features.
2- Audio & Midi Comping.
3- MSEG.
4- Automation Clips.
5- Audio to Midi.
6- Step Recording.
7- ARA Support.
Hope the first 3 or 4 comes true for the near future.
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