Audio effect for blending in background noises/loops?

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KVRer
4 posts since 7 Jul, 2016

Post Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:49 pm

Hi,

I'm looking for plugin that would allow me to blend in background noises/loops similarly to Audiothing Speakers "background noise" section Image and Speakerphone "samplebay" Image

My preference is more to
1. allow the user to add his own samples
2. blend in multiple samples with different settings, ideally option to blend with envelope follower (like in audiothing speakers)
3. play regardless the transport is stopped or not

I know that something like this could be hacked with sampler. Essentially this is something like sampler/looper crossover but more tailored towards audio effect that blends in multiple layers of noise/room tone and whatnot to existing track.

KVRian
919 posts since 26 Apr, 2019 from Netherlands

Post Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:06 am

There are other plugins like Thenatan Vybz and Denise Noize 2 that allow you to use your own samples, but it's the multiple aspect that will make it difficult to find that one plugin that does it all.

KVRist
311 posts since 13 Dec, 2004 from USA

Post Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:01 am

It sounds like Texture might be close to what you're looking for:

https://deviousmachines.com/texture/

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KVRist
202 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from UK

Post Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:36 am

or this if you have Kontakt, (caveat - I was the developer):

https://www.lootaudio.com/category/kont ... -generator
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Post Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:48 am

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Lind0n wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:36 am
or this if you have Kontakt, (caveat - I was the developer):

https://www.lootaudio.com/category/kont ... -generator (https://www.lootaudio.com/category/kontakt-instruments/audio-reward/roomscape-kontakt-atmosphere-generator)
Impressive work!

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KVRist
202 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from UK

Post Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:27 am

consmash wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:48 am
Lind0n wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:36 am
or this if you have Kontakt, (caveat - I was the developer):

https://www.lootaudio.com/category/kont ... -generator
Impressive work!
Thanks, if you look down the bottom of the page you will see a video explaining how to load your own sounds - its convoluted - but thats Kontakt for you...
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KVRAF
5461 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:19 pm

Wouldn’t any standard DAW allow this with adding tracks with ambient noises/loops?
I don’t see any necessity to use a plugin that just mixes what my DAW can mix easier... (except 3, but I could run a loop at least in Bitwig within the Grid without the transport...)

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KVRian
1372 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit Sol III

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:13 pm

I'm wondering the same thing. Am i missing something about this plug in?
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KVRAF
3704 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:49 pm

Yeah, I would (and do) just use volume automation. Nothing else gives you that level of control.

KVRian
1223 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:45 pm

Volbot is excellent for blending multiple tracks

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KVRAF
10871 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:16 pm

Tj Shredder wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:19 pm
Wouldn’t any standard DAW allow this with adding tracks with ambient noises/loops?
I don’t see any necessity to use a plugin that just mixes what my DAW can mix easier... (except 3, but I could run a loop at least in Bitwig within the Grid without the transport...)
It literally sounds like they’re asking for the functions of a DAW.
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KVRAF
12445 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:24 am

Tj Shredder wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:19 pm
Wouldn’t any standard DAW allow this with adding tracks with ambient noises/loops?
I don’t see any necessity to use a plugin that just mixes what my DAW can mix easier... (except 3, but I could run a loop at least in Bitwig within the Grid without the transport...)
Bitwig or Live will do this trivially. There are god knows how many Reaktor bits that do similar things. Other DAWs, maybe, but not as convenient. The advantage of an instrument dedicated is the built in LFOs that are already routed to filters as well as the container aspect of presets. The advantage of Kontakt over Reaktor is I think mostly only about polish and the polish of the effects. You'd have to go find the right Reaktor bit and it probably won't have the same general quality of effects. Not that Reaktor isn't capable of that, it's just that they are not intrinsic to every instrument like they are in Kontakt.

KVRian
1223 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:45 am

some appropriate demos of volbot in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pROwX0Lylmc

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KVRist
202 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from UK

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:00 am

Tj Shredder wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:19 pm
Wouldn’t any standard DAW allow this with adding tracks with ambient noises/loops?
I don’t see any necessity to use a plugin that just mixes what my DAW can mix easier... (except 3, but I could run a loop at least in Bitwig within the Grid without the transport...)
Yes of course you could use your own loop and paste it across your project in your DAW, but I think what these suggestions (and certainly the one I built) offer is something else: I can only speak for Roomscape but the engine works like this ( I will use seconds as a reference but Roomscape actually uses a percentage of the audio clip - but same principle..):

- Lets say you have a 30 second piece of ambient sound you want to use: Roomscape ignores the first 2 seconds, and the last 2 seconds (now we have 26 seconds of usable sound)
- Roomscape divides this usable audio into ten different "fragments" and randomly selects one to play
- at successive points in the endless playback Roomscape cross-fades the current fragment with the next fragment and queues up a new randomly selected fragment...
- It does this for 4 different audio "loops" at the same time and offers a range of mixing and modulation options for each of them...

What you effectively get (even using just one "track" of audio) is endlessly playing non-repeating audio....

Roomscape was the version of this engine that uses ambient real-world content, Chordscape (it's sister) uses designed synth sounds...

Can you do this in a DAW without any of this code? Yes of course (except the truly random bit), but its time consuming and messy..
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KVRian
1223 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:04 am

Lind0n wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:00 am
Tj Shredder wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:19 pm
Wouldn’t any standard DAW allow this with adding tracks with ambient noises/loops?
I don’t see any necessity to use a plugin that just mixes what my DAW can mix easier... (except 3, but I could run a loop at least in Bitwig within the Grid without the transport...)
Yes of course you could use your own loop and paste it across your project in your DAW, but I think what these suggestions (and certainly the one I built) offer is something else: I can only speak for Roomscape but the engine works like this ( I will use seconds as a reference but Roomscape actually uses a percentage of the audio clip - but same principle..):

- Lets say you have a 30 second piece of ambient sound you want to use: Roomscape ignores the first 2 seconds, and the last 2 seconds (now we have 26 seconds of usable sound)
- Roomscape divides this usable audio into ten different "fragments" and randomly selects one to play
- at successive points in the endless playback Roomscape cross-fades the current fragment with the next fragment and queues up a new randomly selected fragment...
- It does this for 4 different audio "loops" at the same time and offers a range of mixing and modulation options for each of them...

What you effectively get (even using just one "track" of audio) is endlessly playing non-repeating audio....

Roomscape was the version of this engine that uses ambient real-world content, Chordscape (it's sister) uses designed synth sounds...

Can you do this in a DAW without any of this code? Yes of course (except the truly random bit), but its time consuming and messy..
volbot achieves a similar outcome as the video I linked shows - of course the workflow is completely different and both products have value but, like your products, volbot allows for infinite non repeating audio from finite resources.

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