Your opinion about Zebra 2

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KVRAF
5005 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Hanover, Germany

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:14 am

vurt wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:11 am
AnX wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:09 am
chk071 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:01 am
AnX wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:57 am
I prefer hypersaws
You need the Virus then. :)
but I've just been vaccinated :cry:
serum?
Bazille

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KVRAF
6636 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:17 am

vurt wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:11 am
AnX wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:09 am
chk071 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:01 am
AnX wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:57 am
I prefer hypersaws
You need the Virus then. :)
but I've just been vaccinated :cry:
serum?
I'm waiting for the Behringer knockoff vaccine

KVRAF
28498 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:18 am

:D
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KVRer
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Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:59 am

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DJErmac wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:34 pm
gentleclockdivider wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:31 pm
DJErmac wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:07 pm
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Zebra2 is super cool for what it does. But when you need a supersaw or anything super modern, go Hive2. .
Dude please , stop it already !
Give me one example of your supermodern sound which you think is not achievable with zebra ( exluding granular + sampling )
OK, this is the exact file I already posted when we had this talk a few months ago.
(no external processing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14mx2xC ... p=drivesdk (https://drive.google.com/file/d/14mx2xCb_v41RzljK4SIVwu1C44U1mTDH/view?usp=drivesdk)
Here's my attempt at it:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eE7Y8_ ... sp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eE7Y8_XZTSUw20PC8KYAGpal4dfh1T1V/view?usp=sharing)

I don't usually do these types of open supersaws and I agree that other synths like Serum or Avenger will probably do this faster and better but I still wanted to give it a try in Zebra since it's such a versatile tool.

I used three instances of ZebraHZ with three osc each, all of them with eleven voices and then put a Zebrify with a Comp and some NuVerb on the mix bus to glue the layers a bit more. The file plays the instances all together at first and then goes on to play them individually. I can't tell if it's "modern" enough (don't listen to that much KSHMR or similar) but it doesn't sound bad to me.

KVRian
994 posts since 19 Apr, 2004

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:10 am

cryophonik wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:17 am
vurt wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:11 am
AnX wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:09 am
chk071 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:01 am
AnX wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:57 am
I prefer hypersaws
You need the Virus then. :)
but I've just been vaccinated :cry:
serum?
I'm waiting for the Behringer knockoff vaccine
Thanks I needed a laugh like that today

KVRAF
2065 posts since 3 Dec, 2006

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:32 am

There is NO vaccine for a hardware virus. . Those viruses are not only hardcore but also Vital for infectious dance music.. there ain't no serum powerfull enough to withstand a access virus .. :-D

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addled muppet weed
79339 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:46 pm

cryophonik wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:17 am
vurt wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:11 am
AnX wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:09 am
chk071 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:01 am
AnX wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:57 am
I prefer hypersaws
You need the Virus then. :)
but I've just been vaccinated :cry:
serum?
I'm waiting for the Behringer knockoff vaccine
was announced a few weeks back, so should be expected sometime in 2024/5?

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addled muppet weed
79339 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:47 pm

surreal wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:32 am
There is NO vaccine for a hardware virus. . Those viruses are not only hardcore but also Vital for infectious dance music.. there ain't no serum powerfull enough to withstand a access virus .. :-D
wait till the birus! :hyper:

KVRian
878 posts since 6 Jul, 2009

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:33 pm

DJErmac wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:22 am
Here is the MIDI file.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KDG3B9 ... sp=sharing
And btw : there is absolutely no phaser anywhere. :D
My examples are from two different synths, SynthA and SynthB. One of them is Zebra (I have HZ, but chose to use the regular version). For now I won't say which it is, nor the identity of the other synth. There is a Dry version of each, and a Wet version (uses their internal FX only, a delay and light compression). I didn't slam the volume on these, so portions won't be too loud. I added a filter rise/fall via Modwheel as well.

SynthA-Dry -- https://app.box.com/s/sgnmadsi6bwd1jov901y24wpj0v2xh78
SynthB-Dry -- https://app.box.com/s/xfgf8rvjpe6mfs97vvte0nzo87qi6rci
SynthA-Wet -- https://app.box.com/s/vqvr04affsd4fyit7j8bxbhp98szg396
SynthB-Wet -- https://app.box.com/s/gx5zn8x7gg8okmbz1a3dotj9grwhan7c

I didn't try to replicate your sound. Instead, I referenced a sound I had made with the unnamed synth, which in turn was based off a preset I had come across when demoing Dune (I don't have a license for Dune, and to be clear, the unnamed synth is not Dune). I probably could have matched them closer than they are, but I've reached the amount of time I'm willing to spend for now.

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KVRAF
2049 posts since 12 Jan, 2019

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:46 pm

^Well done. I have no clue which is which or what the other synth is. Sounds good.
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KVRAF
2780 posts since 3 Mar, 2006

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:55 pm

zebra is great for FM and wavefolding and has pretty great filters.

I do often reach for bazille, repro, ace, diva, or hive instead because the blank slate of an empty zebra 2 patch just doesn't seem to inspire my tinkering the same way, but zebra is definitely the strong one of the bunch if you already have an idea and want the flexibility to implement it.

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KVRAF
7079 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:00 pm

@ KBSoundSmith:
I guess SynthB is Zebra. Just a guess because I feel it less "wooshy"! (is that a word even! :hihi: )
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KVRAF
28498 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:11 pm

I'd actually say Synth A is Zebra. You're right about synth B being less "wooshy", BTW. Not as busy, fizzy and noisy.

Could be wrong of course. Last time I tried Zebra (CM) was more than 5 years ago.

I would have taken a guess on the second synth too, if it was a either this or that case. But, considering that there's a gazillion of soft synths, I really don't want to do the guess work. I have a feeling what it is, but, I rather wait for the conclusion. :P
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KVRist
386 posts since 4 Feb, 2021

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:40 pm

Forgot to mention that even if it ain’t for me, I really like its concept as a one synth workhorse, and the way its modular design supports it. In a world with only Zebra 2 and Synthmaster as workhorses, I’d ride the Zebra.
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KVRian
1368 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:41 pm

KBSoundSmith wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:33 pm
DJErmac wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:22 am
Here is the MIDI file.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KDG3B9 ... sp=sharing
And btw : there is absolutely no phaser anywhere. :D
My examples are from two different synths, SynthA and SynthB. One of them is Zebra (I have HZ, but chose to use the regular version). For now I won't say which it is, nor the identity of the other synth. There is a Dry version of each, and a Wet version (uses their internal FX only, a delay and light compression). I didn't slam the volume on these, so portions won't be too loud. I added a filter rise/fall via Modwheel as well.

SynthA-Dry -- https://app.box.com/s/sgnmadsi6bwd1jov901y24wpj0v2xh78
SynthB-Dry -- https://app.box.com/s/xfgf8rvjpe6mfs97vvte0nzo87qi6rci
SynthA-Wet -- https://app.box.com/s/vqvr04affsd4fyit7j8bxbhp98szg396
SynthB-Wet -- https://app.box.com/s/gx5zn8x7gg8okmbz1a3dotj9grwhan7c

I didn't try to replicate your sound. Instead, I referenced a sound I had made with the unnamed synth, which in turn was based off a preset I had come across when demoing Dune (I don't have a license for Dune, and to be clear, the unnamed synth is not Dune). I probably could have matched them closer than they are, but I've reached the amount of time I'm willing to spend for now.
Ouch... they sound so powerless with that endless release and this lack of high frequencies... Why this ridiculous ADSR filter that kills all the power ? Sounds like an intro now...

The worst is B for sure. No high frequencies at all, all muffled and sounds like there is an all pass on it, no transients attack at all.
This post is supposed to be non-agressive. Now please give me a broad smile. :ud:

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