Why you left Bitwig?

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KVRist
394 posts since 4 Apr, 2006

Post Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:12 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:37 am
docbot wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:57 am
that to me is exactly the kind of slightly fan boy tainted view that a lot of Bitwig Users seem to have and I think it stands in the way of Bitwig.
2 things...

what we talk about here has no influence on the development of Bitwig. It is just some users have some conversation and will not get in the way of anything.

second, just cause someone has a different opinion, you don't need to start getting personal.
didn't mean too, pardon

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KVRAF
19140 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:53 pm

docbot wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:12 pm
pdxindy wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:37 am
docbot wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:57 am
that to me is exactly the kind of slightly fan boy tainted view that a lot of Bitwig Users seem to have and I think it stands in the way of Bitwig.
2 things...

what we talk about here has no influence on the development of Bitwig. It is just some users have some conversation and will not get in the way of anything.

second, just cause someone has a different opinion, you don't need to start getting personal.
didn't mean too, pardon
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KVRist
145 posts since 1 Jul, 2015

Post Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:19 pm

chk071 wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:54 am
No, seriously, you think you can read a trend about a DAW becoming unpopular out of the amount of Google searches? That's absolute nonsense. Check it for any DAW out there, and the result will be exactly the same.
Might be nonsense, but G is so big that it might even display trends accurately. Try trending Chrome and Firefox. Firefox will decline. Besides, everyone is using it now.

KVRAF
1613 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Post Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:59 pm

It’s pretty indicative I’ve found.

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KVRAF
5675 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Fri May 07, 2021 10:22 pm

docbot wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:57 am
that to me is exactly the kind of slightly fan boy tainted view that a lot of Bitwig Users seem to have and I think it stands in the way of Bitwig.
Thats the problem with Bitwig, if you start using it you can’t prevent becoming a fan girl/boy. Nothing wrong with this and for sure it doesn’t stand in the way...
I plead myself guilty... As well as being a fan boy for my LinnStrument, Max/MSP and my Tibetan bowls... And for advocating MPE, and for being a fan of Wittgenstein or Robert Fripp...

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KVRian
1390 posts since 10 Oct, 2018

Post Sat May 08, 2021 12:45 am

I supported Bitwig because they presented themselves as a small company relating on a loyal userbase. Sailliant detail: they even gave first hour users badges. At each occasion the fanbois were shouting for years: they are small company, just wait and see!

Now they've ganged up with companies like Waves, I ask the forum: is Waves a small company????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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KVRAF
8863 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sat May 08, 2021 2:25 am

excuse me please wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 12:45 am
Now they've ganged up with companies like Waves, I ask the forum: is Waves a small ompany????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
How about a different explanation? They've stumbled on some unexpected issue with new features (on-line collab? Apple Silicon version? something else?) and in order for the users to not feel abandoned they've started releasing new videos, Electic Keys soundpack, the co-op with Harrison & Waves, etc. Not to mention bugfixes to 3.3.x

Last time I checked (just now), they're still a small company with 18 people, compared to Ableton's 635(!),Steinberg's 175, Reason Studios' 68 and Image-Line's 61.

If co-op with Waves is a reason to leave a DAW, then by all means go ahead :o :dog:
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KVRAF
7382 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Sat May 08, 2021 2:41 am

' ganged up' seems a bit harsh, unless they have come to your house and roughed you up a bit! :wink:

Bitwig are small, IMHO they should us that to their advantage and talk a lot more directly with the user base (having their own registered user forums and not forums on KVR may help). Asa was mentioned, Image Line have 6-+ but still talk everyday (via posts) to their user base and it they get that 'small company' feel and buy in.
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KVRian
1390 posts since 10 Oct, 2018

Post Sat May 08, 2021 3:33 am

antic604 wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 2:25 am
excuse me please wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 12:45 am
Now they've ganged up with companies like Waves, I ask the forum: is Waves a small ompany????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
How about a different explanation? They've stumbled on some unexpected issue with new features (on-line collab? Apple Silicon version? something else?) and in order for the users to not feel abandoned they've started releasing new videos, Electic Keys soundpack, the co-op with Harrison & Waves, etc. Not to mention bugfixes to 3.3.x

Last time I checked (just now), they're still a small company with 18 people, compared to Ableton's 635(!),Steinberg's 175, Reason Studios' 68 and Image-Line's 61.

If co-op with Waves is a reason to leave a DAW, then by all means go ahead :o :dog:
Oh c'mon don't be silly. People have been asking for basic DAW functions for years. To name one:

https://ask.audio/articles/comping-audi ... wig-studio

KVRist
86 posts since 26 Apr, 2018

Post Sat May 08, 2021 5:29 am

I obviously cannot say for certain, but I'd think it's unlikely that any cross-promotion between Bitwig and Waves will be taking up any developers time. If it's going to be anything it will be a marketing department thing. And to be fair, I suspect there will be a lot more of Waves customers who are now having Bitwig advertised to them (and the free 8-Track lets them get their hands on it, albeit a cut down version) than there are Bitwig users being advertised about Waves.

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KVRAF
8863 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sat May 08, 2021 5:30 am

excuse me please wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 3:33 am
Oh c'mon don't be silly. People have been asking for basic DAW functions for years. To name one:

https://ask.audio/articles/comping-audi ... wig-studio
What does that have to do with anything you or I said???

You're leaving because they "ganged up" with Waves.

THAT is silly :wink:
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KVRAF
8863 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sat May 08, 2021 5:33 am

sbmongoose wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 5:29 am
I obviously cannot say for certain, but I'd think it's unlikely that any cross-promotion between Bitwig and Waves will be taking up any developers time. If it's going to be anything it will be a marketing department thing. And to be fair, I suspect there will be a lot more of Waves customers who are now having Bitwig advertised to them (and the free 8-Track lets them get their hands on it, albeit a cut down version) than there are Bitwig users being advertised about Waves.
Exactly. A pitch-tracking, dynamic EQ that's superior to what R-Bass is doing can be built using Bitwig's native devices in 2 minutes... I wouldn't be surprised if the initiative came from Waves, rather than from Bitwig.
Music tech enthusiast.
DAW, VST & hardware hoarder.
My "music": https://soundcloud.com/antic604

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KVRAF
19140 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sat May 08, 2021 7:25 am

excuse me please wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 3:33 am
Oh c'mon don't be silly. People have been asking for basic DAW functions for years. To name one:

https://ask.audio/articles/comping-audi ... wig-studio
Hey, you don't have to justify using another DAW... use whatever works for you and good luck with your music!

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KVRAF
9944 posts since 2 Jan, 2005 from somewhere in the woods

Post Sat May 08, 2021 8:15 am

i left Bitwig, because i needed some cash.
"It dreamed itself along"

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KVRist
306 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Post Sat May 08, 2021 9:19 am

antic604 wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 5:33 am
sbmongoose wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 5:29 am
I obviously cannot say for certain, but I'd think it's unlikely that any cross-promotion between Bitwig and Waves will be taking up any developers time. If it's going to be anything it will be a marketing department thing. And to be fair, I suspect there will be a lot more of Waves customers who are now having Bitwig advertised to them (and the free 8-Track lets them get their hands on it, albeit a cut down version) than there are Bitwig users being advertised about Waves.
Exactly. A pitch-tracking, dynamic EQ that's superior to what R-Bass is doing can be built using Bitwig's native devices in 2 minutes... I wouldn't be surprised if the initiative came from Waves, rather than from Bitwig.
It's like the Harrison plugins as well, Bitwig already can do the same things as their EQ and compressor they gave away. Though it is nice to have them in other DAWs when I want to use them. :lol:

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