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- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
I think I paid well less than $100 for ANA 2 right from Sonic Academy. I didn't get the butt ugly skins but hey that's better than having to pay for them every month until I die or retire....
My thing with subscriptions is what if I use one or more plugins in a project, decide to stop the subscription in a few months then want to work on the project after that? It won't load those plugins and I'll have to substitute them for something else so why not just substitute them now and save the money and hassle?
Some call them subscription plans. I call them subscription scams. But to each his own.....
My thing with subscriptions is what if I use one or more plugins in a project, decide to stop the subscription in a few months then want to work on the project after that? It won't load those plugins and I'll have to substitute them for something else so why not just substitute them now and save the money and hassle?
Some call them subscription plans. I call them subscription scams. But to each his own.....
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- Banned
- 102 posts since 23 Jul, 2021
Well, I said I was done for the night, but I drank the koolaid
Anyways, realistically, you can't go wrong either way. So, let's toast to options!
Anyways, realistically, you can't go wrong either way. So, let's toast to options!
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- Banned
- 102 posts since 23 Jul, 2021
You are NOT wrong. I get you, loud and clear. I'm simply saying that it's a judgement call. For me, it seems like a decent payoff. For others, it's a no-go. I have no guidance, I just offer my 2c.plexuss wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:34 pmIn 5 years you'd have paid out $870US (or $750 if paid annually) and have to continue to pay out after that. If that works for you, over perpetual licenses, great! Maybe it's a business expense and write-off which could make subscriptions make better sense for people. Or, subscriptions are just a preference.hitherepeople wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:20 pm I really don't want to come across as a plant for Slate
But I have to say, ANA2, the two gates in the VMR, again the soundpacks (while I use a lot) are just the examples I have of the good side of the sub. If it's an upgrade, you would have to pay for that, well, likely.
- KVRist
- 483 posts since 17 Sep, 2020
Yep, subs are totally fine. It's only when you try to push your previous purchasers into it, or suddenly 'favor' your subscribers, then there's a problem.plexuss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:09 amI think subs make sense for specific use-cases, like issues related to cash flow, taxes etc. But in general 1:1 they dont make much sense. But for people where a sub makes more sense, for sure, good there are those options.Effectsworks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:46 am Wow... You'd be stupid not to sub for some new samples and ANA 2 which some nu skins. LOL
- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
I use an expensive software application for my non-music work. it was $750. The latest version they dropped licenses and now its subscription only. Me and many other previous customers have decided to move on from it. It doesn't just happen with plugins and its as irritating. But like plugins there are other options out there. I dont really understand companies that go sub-only when a perpetual license would also be a relevant option. On the other hand a different company with a competing product has sub-only but they give you 90% of the apps functionality for free, and then its $12/mo for a subscription. vs $25/mo sub-only with the other app I mentioned - guess where people are flocking. Dumb business decisions.Effectsworks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:37 amYep, subs are totally fine. It's only when you try to push your previous purchasers into it, or suddenly 'favor' your subscribers, then there's a problem.plexuss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:09 amI think subs make sense for specific use-cases, like issues related to cash flow, taxes etc. But in general 1:1 they dont make much sense. But for people where a sub makes more sense, for sure, good there are those options.Effectsworks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:46 am Wow... You'd be stupid not to sub for some new samples and ANA 2 which some nu skins. LOL
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- KVRAF
- 2864 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy
- Banned
- 4491 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK
I remember seeing Slate on Pensado's place many years ago, and I thought then, what a ****. I never used a thing of his and reading all this now, I am glad I don't.
I won't ever get involved with the subscription thing, its either rent to own or buy outright, as for updates, I don't mind paying for updates if the update price is reasonable and not over inflated (Steinberg!!!)
I won't ever get involved with the subscription thing, its either rent to own or buy outright, as for updates, I don't mind paying for updates if the update price is reasonable and not over inflated (Steinberg!!!)
Don't trust those with words of weakness, they are the most aggressive
- u-he
- 28065 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
- KVRist
- 483 posts since 17 Sep, 2020
It's a shame some of these companies just don't do both. It can be done of course, House of Kush managed to do it. No one ever complains about those dudes.plexuss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:42 amI use an expensive software application for my non-music work. it was $750. The latest version they dropped licenses and now its subscription only. Me and many other previous customers have decided to move on from it. It doesn't just happen with plugins and its as irritating. But like plugins there are other options out there. I dont really understand companies that go sub-only when a perpetual license would also be a relevant option. On the other hand a different company with a competing product has sub-only but they give you 90% of the apps functionality for free, and then its $12/mo for a subscription. vs $25/mo sub-only with the other app I mentioned - guess where people are flocking. Dumb business decisions.Effectsworks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:37 amYep, subs are totally fine. It's only when you try to push your previous purchasers into it, or suddenly 'favor' your subscribers, then there's a problem.plexuss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:09 amI think subs make sense for specific use-cases, like issues related to cash flow, taxes etc. But in general 1:1 they dont make much sense. But for people where a sub makes more sense, for sure, good there are those options.Effectsworks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:46 am Wow... You'd be stupid not to sub for some new samples and ANA 2 which some nu skins. LOL
Yeah, there are plenty of options out there as well. Looks like Izotope are going that way too. Time to move on and give your business to others.
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- KVRist
- 87 posts since 1 Sep, 2016
Just reassure us that u-He will never go that route!
- KVRAF
- 1561 posts since 3 Jan, 2019 from Holland
I paid 49 bucks for Ana2. And i get most of the Slate sample packs for free as a newsletter subscriber which costs nothing.hitherepeople wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:20 pm But I have to say, ANA2, the two gates in the VMR, again the soundpacks (while I use a lot) are just the examples I have of the good side of the sub. If it's an upgrade, you would have to pay for that, well, likely.
Not that the "exclusive content" (or Ana2) is anything special, but you can ofcourse just do 1 month of sub, and keep all the "exclusive content" after.
More BPM please
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- KVRAF
- 2472 posts since 15 Apr, 2004 from Capital City, UK
genau. it is purely a business move.
some would argue that the companies which use this method have a better idea of future-funding so they can take 'risks', but from what I see, they don't tend to.
- KVRAF
- 4433 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
i have Kush sub. not only i wouldn't complain about them, i actually can say nothing but good things about them. they're a very specific kinds of plugins so they're not for everyone, but if you're into what they offer... i've been on the sub since they offered a $9.99 tier for both Kush and Sly-Fi, so i'm on the OG subscription.Effectsworks wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:47 am It's a shame some of these companies just don't do both. It can be done of course, House of Kush managed to do it. No one ever complains about those dudes.
it's been three and a half years since that started, so about 42 months. that's about $420 (Kush would approve ) that i've spent with them. over that time we got AR-1, Novatron, Goldplate, Silica, Hammer DSP, REDDI, plus everything else that they already had - Clariphonic, UBK-1, the Omegas, Electra, Pusher, Kaya, Deflector, Axis... I use all of them pretty regularly, and the AR-1 has become my goto "slap it on the master when i'm short on time" bus compressor as it just makes everything sound good. so while it seems like $420 could've bought me a lot of the ones i use regularly, i'm actually happy to have Kush sub because i get so much value out of these plugins i'm OK with just throwing money Greg's way every month
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
- u-he
- 28065 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Hehehe, I'm happy to discuss this in our company forum. I just posted here to provide perspective to something that creates ripples in our industry (this particular newsletter is being discussed heavily among dozens of plug-in developers in other places).NeonNightflyer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:38 amJust reassure us that u-He will never go that route!
- KVRian
- 1324 posts since 15 Nov, 2005 from Italy
I don't usually comment about other fellow developers, but I got that email too and I found it, at least, as the worst marketing pitch ever.
As a developer, I should feel offended by the assumption their company is doing in that email. AFAIK, there are pretty much a lot of developers that offers great stuff for fair price and updates are free of charge. Sure, if a new major version of a plugin comes out, they usually offer an upgrade price but, imho, it's an honest way of doing business.
There are other ways of doing business, like high full price, followed by a perpetual last day offer and paid updates based on MSRP... and we all know who I'm talking about But this business model is old and only very few companies are still applying it.
My 2 cents,
Luca
As a developer, I should feel offended by the assumption their company is doing in that email. AFAIK, there are pretty much a lot of developers that offers great stuff for fair price and updates are free of charge. Sure, if a new major version of a plugin comes out, they usually offer an upgrade price but, imho, it's an honest way of doing business.
There are other ways of doing business, like high full price, followed by a perpetual last day offer and paid updates based on MSRP... and we all know who I'm talking about But this business model is old and only very few companies are still applying it.
My 2 cents,
Luca