Bitwig Studio 4 announced (+beta available)!

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KVRAF
19907 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:27 pm

SLiC wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:20 am
worldshaker wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:32 am
Did BitWig 4 add or already have key & scales like Cubase/Ableton?
Bitwig Dev's felt microtonality was more important than regular key/chord and scale stuff. It has advantages like tuning modulation, but probably not as useful as standard scales for most users.

It may be in their next update, it may be never...there is no road map for Bitwig.
A false dichotomy just so you can complain. Your posts about Bitwig have become pretty negative, seems like at this point you might be better served to sell Bitwig and move on.

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KVRAF
7435 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:47 pm

I wish that Bitwig team concentrate more now on the arrangement area tools and borrow more from Logic/Cubase than Live.

It's better than Live as a traditional linear DAW IMO, but not there yet for someone got used to Cubase/Logic.
I know my opinion is not popular, but I wish they developed a better markers system and add midi review than implementing a waste of time (probabilities) tools!

Anyway, maybe they know what they are doing and those probabilities tools can sell the software better. For me, it is useless. However, Bitwig is still my 2nd best DAW overall and it can be an excellent choice for a minimalist as it contains everything to make excellent music with unlimited ceiling for sound sources.
Mostly: Cubase 11 Pro, Bitwig Studio 4, RP Explorer 6, NI K12, Arturia VC7 + SQ80 V, Keylab 49 MK ii, MODX 6, KK M32 and ATOM

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KVRist
389 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Post Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:38 pm

EnGee wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:47 pm
I wish that Bitwig team concentrate more now on the arrangement area tools and borrow more from Logic/Cubase than Live.

It's better than Live as a traditional linear DAW IMO, but not there yet for someone got used to Cubase/Logic.
I know my opinion is not popular, but I wish they developed a better markers system and add midi review than implementing a waste of time (probabilities) tools!

Anyway, maybe they know what they are doing and those probabilities tools can sell the software better. For me, it is useless. However, Bitwig is still my 2nd best DAW overall and it can be an excellent choice for a minimalist as it contains everything to make excellent music with unlimited ceiling for sound sources.
There's only one thing they added with them that is neat and that's the beat slicing operation. Makes making zips and stuff way easier and faster

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KVRAF

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9996 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:01 pm

MuzikFreq wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:38 pm
There's only one thing they added with them that is neat and that's the beat slicing operation. Makes making zips and stuff way easier and faster.
Let's see what 4.1 brings. I'm under the impression that a lot of v4 effort was to port it to Apple Silicon - I mean it's currently the best implementation on the market, as neither Logic or Reaper allow user to mix Apple Silicon native and Rosetta2 plugins.
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KVRist
290 posts since 12 Oct, 2003

Post Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:24 pm

antic604 wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:01 pm
as neither Logic or Reaper allow user to mix Apple Silicon native and Rosetta2 plugins.
Do not know Reaper but with Logic you can.

KVRAF
3200 posts since 25 Mar, 2016 from Seattle

Post Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:56 pm

Reaper can too.

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KVRAF

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9996 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:40 am

ozinga wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:24 pm
antic604 wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:01 pm
as neither Logic or Reaper allow user to mix Apple Silicon native and Rosetta2 plugins.
Do not know Reaper but with Logic you can.
Is it new? I'm sure early reports suggested you need to choose.
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KVRist
97 posts since 19 May, 2017

Post Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:42 am

antic604 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:40 am
ozinga wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:24 pm
antic604 wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:01 pm
as neither Logic or Reaper allow user to mix Apple Silicon native and Rosetta2 plugins.
Do not know Reaper but with Logic you can.
Is it new? I'm sure early reports suggested you need to choose.
No, it was always this way. Logic from the start hosts its non-native plugins in a different process.

But many plugins may not work this way.

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KVRAF

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9996 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:18 am

Serhii Kot wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:42 am
antic604 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:40 am
ozinga wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:24 pm
antic604 wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:01 pm
as neither Logic or Reaper allow user to mix Apple Silicon native and Rosetta2 plugins.
Do not know Reaper but with Logic you can.
Is it new? I'm sure early reports suggested you need to choose.
No, it was always this way. Logic from the start hosts its non-native plugins in a different process.

But many plugins may not work this way.
Ok, so I was wrong. Still, it's a pretty exceptional achievement - and lots of work - for Bitwig to only be behind Apple & Cockos with native port.
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KVRist
97 posts since 19 May, 2017

Post Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:32 am

antic604 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:18 am
Serhii Kot wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:42 am
antic604 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:40 am
ozinga wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:24 pm
antic604 wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:01 pm
as neither Logic or Reaper allow user to mix Apple Silicon native and Rosetta2 plugins.
Do not know Reaper but with Logic you can.
Is it new? I'm sure early reports suggested you need to choose.
No, it was always this way. Logic from the start hosts its non-native plugins in a different process.

But many plugins may not work this way.
Ok, so I was wrong. Still, it's a pretty exceptional achievement - and lots of work - for Bitwig to only be behind Apple & Cockos with native port.
The main difference is that if Logic's x64 container crashes - logic crashes. If Bitwig's x64 container crashes - Bitwig does not.

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KVRAF
19907 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:15 am

Serhii Kot wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:32 am
The main difference is that if Logic's x64 container crashes - logic crashes. If Bitwig's x64 container crashes - Bitwig does not.
That is a huge difference... and that is why Bitwig is my main DAW. It is by far the most stable DAW I have ever used.

KVRAF
3200 posts since 25 Mar, 2016 from Seattle

Post Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:02 am

Serhii Kot wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:32 am
antic604 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:18 am
Serhii Kot wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:42 am
antic604 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:40 am
ozinga wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:24 pm
antic604 wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:01 pm
as neither Logic or Reaper allow user to mix Apple Silicon native and Rosetta2 plugins.
Do not know Reaper but with Logic you can.
Is it new? I'm sure early reports suggested you need to choose.
No, it was always this way. Logic from the start hosts its non-native plugins in a different process.

But many plugins may not work this way.
Ok, so I was wrong. Still, it's a pretty exceptional achievement - and lots of work - for Bitwig to only be behind Apple & Cockos with native port.
The main difference is that if Logic's x64 container crashes - logic crashes. If Bitwig's x64 container crashes - Bitwig does not.
This is a huge plus for Bitwig, hopefully other DAW's will learn from them.

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KVRist
389 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Post Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:05 pm

simmo75 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:02 am
Serhii Kot wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:32 am
antic604 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:18 am
Serhii Kot wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:42 am
antic604 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:40 am
ozinga wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:24 pm


Do not know Reaper but with Logic you can.
Is it new? I'm sure early reports suggested you need to choose.
No, it was always this way. Logic from the start hosts its non-native plugins in a different process.

But many plugins may not work this way.
Ok, so I was wrong. Still, it's a pretty exceptional achievement - and lots of work - for Bitwig to only be behind Apple & Cockos with native port.
The main difference is that if Logic's x64 container crashes - logic crashes. If Bitwig's x64 container crashes - Bitwig does not.
This is a huge plus for Bitwig, hopefully other DAW's will learn from them.
It's not so simple. I found it uses more cpu so if you have a big project it can potentially struggle

KVRAF
1709 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Post Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:54 pm

"It's better than Live as a traditional linear DAW IMO, but not there yet for someone got used to Cubase/Logic."
I beg to differ. That's my bread and butter and I far prefer Live. It takes a while to get used to Live, but it's extremely efficient once you're used to it. There are tiny little things in Bitwig that absolutely drives me nuts.

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KVRAF
7435 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:30 pm

Yes maybe! This is what I feel when editing/arranging in the arrangement window in Live. I felt more at home with Bitwig.
Mostly: Cubase 11 Pro, Bitwig Studio 4, RP Explorer 6, NI K12, Arturia VC7 + SQ80 V, Keylab 49 MK ii, MODX 6, KK M32 and ATOM

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