Who loves Subscription Only updates to iZotope products?

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KVRist
413 posts since 27 Aug, 2020

Post Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:03 am

Ploki wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:14 am
Maybe even "organ donor" cards where you can leave your body to izotope if you die
And then Izotope can turn you into Soylent Green and sell the product at a 70% discount. Once the customer gets hooked on Izotope Soylent Green, then they swiftly switch to the subscription model.
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KVRAF
4443 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:07 am

this dystopia writes itself!
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KVRAF
4529 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Post Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:52 pm

I've read through this and another thread and did some online searching and I still can't find anything specific about what updates will suposedly not be available to lifetime license owners. The izotope site is vague about it and all that's been posted is speculation - no one has posted first hand information from izotope.

While I get that izotope's vagueness on this opens the door for speculation, it's not clear what lifetimers get and don't get. I also don't want to assume. But if lifetimers were to get the same kinds of decent upgrade offers to the latest version, that would be ok. Frankly, I don't recall izotope releasing many updates over the years and those they did were nothing major. The main update would occur when upgrading to the next numbered version. As long as that is still available then, for me at least, that's ok.

Would be nice to know the specific details on this however.

KVRAF
4443 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:13 pm

Subs = incompatible with nonsubs due to small but significant updates
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KVRian
944 posts since 30 Jun, 2014 from Pacific NW

Post Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:19 pm

plexuss wrote:
Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:52 pm
I've read through this and another thread and did some online searching and I still can't find anything specific about what updates will suposedly not be available to lifetime license owners. The izotope site is vague about it and all that's been posted is speculation - no one has posted first hand information from izotope.

While I get that izotope's vagueness on this opens the door for speculation, it's not clear what lifetimers get and don't get. I also don't want to assume. But if lifetimers were to get the same kinds of decent upgrade offers to the latest version, that would be ok. Frankly, I don't recall izotope releasing many updates over the years and those they did were nothing major. The main update would occur when upgrading to the next numbered version. As long as that is still available then, for me at least, that's ok.

Would be nice to know the specific details on this however.
They recently added some features to only the sub software. It’s unclear if they’ll ever come to the purchased - reports say “no” but there’s been no official word (as far as I know).

KVRAF
5239 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Hanover, Germany

Post Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:27 pm

All the pitchforking against iZotope is currently a bit premature imo.
My strategy: I use my paid items as long as I can (and want),
look for eventually upcomming (to be paid for sure) updates
and decide then how to move on (staying with them or switching to other alternatives).

KVRist
75 posts since 18 Jul, 2004

Post Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:47 am

Are there any alternatives from other companies to the following from Izotope?
- the Neutron mix assistant, https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/how-to ... stant.html
- the Ozone tonal balance control, https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/how-an ... ntrol.html

KVRAF
4443 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:13 am

Tonal balance control is a fft, i’d just use Voxengo SPAN.
For neutron mix assistant, sonible smart EQ3 could partially replace it
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KVRist
75 posts since 18 Jul, 2004

Post Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:41 am

Ploki wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:13 am
Tonal balance control is a fft, i’d just use Voxengo SPAN.
For neutron mix assistant, sonible smart EQ3 could partially replace it
Nice tips, thanks!

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KVRAF
1924 posts since 2 Mar, 2004

Post Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:58 am

Toneboosters Equalizer has an (AI-powered) tool to suggest curves. That might also kind of replace mix assistant.

KVRer
3 posts since 31 Aug, 2020

Post Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:08 pm

billcarroll wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:22 pm
Let's talk iZotope ...

iZotope update AI-powered assistants for Nectar Pro and Ozone Pro -> "These upgrades are exclusive to new and existing members of iZotope's Producers Club and Music Production Suite Pro subscribers."

It's sad that iZotope would ignore users who have own your products for years and begin providing upgrades only for subscription users. As a long-time customer, I have to say this leaves me with an incredibly bad view of iZotope.

Thoughts? Does anyone love this approach?
It's sad, yes, but their decision pushed me to look for & find alternatives. I'm far from being a loyal customer, however I have good part of their current lifetime licensed product line except RX7 Standard which I refused to upgrade even some time before the announcement of their SAS "offer".

I am already in the process of replacing Ozone Advanced, Neutron Advanced, Nectar and Neoverb with Fabfilter Mastering & Mixing and Valhalla Plate/Room/VintageVerb. My iZotope licenses of Tonal Bundle and Neoverb are already for sale.

I don't have the same success with replacing RX and I'm still trying to figure out whether SpectraLayers 8 Pro might be a viable alternative for my needs. If so, I'm about to sell my RX license as well.

I avoid any kinds of subscription software since the very moment Adobe started migrating their ecosystem to SAS. My job is graphics and web design and all my software has lifetime license. Mixing is only a hobby of mine, but the same goes for it as well - it's SAS-free.
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KVRAF
1513 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit Sol III

Post Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:42 pm

I haven’t given Izotope any money in years.
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KVRAF

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2316 posts since 9 Dec, 2011 from falling

Post Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:09 pm

marina wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:08 pm
billcarroll wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:22 pm
Let's talk iZotope ...

iZotope update AI-powered assistants for Nectar Pro and Ozone Pro -> "These upgrades are exclusive to new and existing members of iZotope's Producers Club and Music Production Suite Pro subscribers."

It's sad that iZotope would ignore users who have own your products for years and begin providing upgrades only for subscription users. As a long-time customer, I have to say this leaves me with an incredibly bad view of iZotope.

Thoughts? Does anyone love this approach?
It's sad, yes, but their decision pushed me to look for & find alternatives. I'm far from being a loyal customer, however I have good part of their current lifetime licensed product line except RX7 Standard which I refused to upgrade even some time before the announcement of their SAS "offer".

I am already in the process of replacing Ozone Advanced, Neutron Advanced, Nectar and Neoverb with Fabfilter Mastering & Mixing and Valhalla Plate/Room/VintageVerb. My iZotope licenses of Tonal Bundle and Neoverb are already for sale.

I don't have the same success with replacing RX and I'm still trying to figure out whether SpectraLayers 8 Pro might be a viable alternative for my needs. If so, I'm about to sell my RX license as well.

I avoid any kinds of subscription software since the very moment Adobe started migrating their ecosystem to SAS. My job is graphics and web design and all my software has lifetime license. Mixing is only a hobby of mine, but the same goes for it as well - it's SAS-free.
RX is a tough one to replace. It's almost like trying to replace Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop. It can be done, but the alternatives can be challenging to use for work.

I like Ozone and Nectar as well, but they are easier to replace.

KVRer
3 posts since 31 Aug, 2020

Post Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:16 pm

billcarroll wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:09 pm
marina wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:08 pm
billcarroll wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:22 pm
Let's talk iZotope ...

iZotope update AI-powered assistants for Nectar Pro and Ozone Pro -> "These upgrades are exclusive to new and existing members of iZotope's Producers Club and Music Production Suite Pro subscribers."

It's sad that iZotope would ignore users who have own your products for years and begin providing upgrades only for subscription users. As a long-time customer, I have to say this leaves me with an incredibly bad view of iZotope.

Thoughts? Does anyone love this approach?
It's sad, yes, but their decision pushed me to look for & find alternatives. I'm far from being a loyal customer, however I have good part of their current lifetime licensed product line except RX7 Standard which I refused to upgrade even some time before the announcement of their SAS "offer".

I am already in the process of replacing Ozone Advanced, Neutron Advanced, Nectar and Neoverb with Fabfilter Mastering & Mixing and Valhalla Plate/Room/VintageVerb. My iZotope licenses of Tonal Bundle and Neoverb are already for sale.

I don't have the same success with replacing RX and I'm still trying to figure out whether SpectraLayers 8 Pro might be a viable alternative for my needs. If so, I'm about to sell my RX license as well.

I avoid any kinds of subscription software since the very moment Adobe started migrating their ecosystem to SAS. My job is graphics and web design and all my software has lifetime license. Mixing is only a hobby of mine, but the same goes for it as well - it's SAS-free.
RX is a tough one to replace. It's almost like trying to replace Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop. It can be done, but the alternatives can be challenging to use for work.

I like Ozone and Nectar as well, but they are easier to replace.
I could agree to certain degree on Adobe products.
My design job is mostly vector graphics oriented, so I couldn’t be happier to not having to use Photoshop (beside Lightroom with a permanent license from 2018 for playing with my raw files). Thankfully Corel does still offer a lifetime license for Draw. As an industry standard for raster graphics Photoshop is irreplaceable, but thankfully iZotope are far from Adobe at this point.
I couldn’t agree more on Ozone, Neutron and Nectar. Though there still are people around looking for assistant alternates ;)
I see people in some forums are enthusiastic about Acon Digital for restoration and I don’t mind testing their suite should that helped me say goodbye to iZotope.
HP Pavilion Gaming Laptop 17-cd1xxx [i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4, GTX 1650 Ti, 970 EVO Plus 1TB, Win 10 Pro] | FL Studio Producer, Studio One Pro | Fabfilter Mastering+Saturn 2+Timeless 3, Valhalla Reverb, SpectraLayers 8 Pro, Xfer Serum

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KVRAF
1960 posts since 15 Aug, 2012 from Australia

Post Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:41 pm

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Hell to the NO for subscription anything!
I'm tired of being insane. I'm going outsane for some fresh air.

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