Reason 12 announced

[dellboy]

Actually, I have zero interest in Reason..... and I am worried that they will go subscription.

I am not sure what your point was ?

My interest in this thread is not because I am interested in Reason - its a very decent DAW, just not for me. I am more interested how this whole subscription thing is working out for them, and are they beginning to win people over to this new way of thinking ? Obviously, if Reason does well, then others are sure to follow.

[WatchTheGuitar]

it’s been out about five minutes and they’re running an intro deal of a buck a month for 3 months.
will probably only be able to tell in a couple of years how successful the idea is.

[SLiC]

Actually, I have zero interest in Reason..... and I am worried that they will go subscription.

I am not sure what your point was ?

My interest in this thread is not because I am interested in Reason - its a very decent DAW, just not for me. I am more interested how this whole subscription thing is working out for them, and are they beginning to win people over to this new way of thinking ? Obviously, if Reason does well, then others are sure to follow.

Pro Tools has been subscription for ages and is an industry standard, Studio One has subscription, iZotope offer subscription, Roland Cloud is subscription, Output have subscription, Kilohearts have subscription, Plugin Alliance etc etc...its already happened. Offering subscription as 'an option' can only be a good thing- offering it as the only route would be commercial suicide for a small company.

[lotus2035]

I was hoping for a relatively cheap upgrade from Intro 11 to the non existent Intro 12 but instead I would have to upgrade to the full version of 12 for HD graphics and a couple of other things I'm not really interested in.
Certainly not worth €299 IMO if I am only going to be using the Intro rack in FL Studio.
I would be happy to upgrade to Intro 12 if they change their minds and who knows that might have been a stepping stone to me upgrading to the full version at a later date but as it stands I wont be buying anything from them and will grumble at the low res graphics of the Intro 11 rack instead.

[EnochLight]

The only other DAW I know that is almost as tedious as Reason in this regard is Ableton Live.

For me, Reaper is pretty tedious as well. In fact, I'd say Reaper is even harder to get around than Reason is. YMMV...

[dellboy]

Pro Tools has been subscription for ages and is an industry standard, Studio One has subscription, iZotope offer subscription, Roland Cloud is subscription, Output have subscription, Kilohearts have subscription, Plugin Alliance etc etc...its already happened. Offering subscription as 'an option' can only be a good thing- offering it as the only route would be commercial suicide for a small company.

You have pretty much proved the point, subscription is here to stay and growing. I have just googled "Pro-Tools", and the web page is designed to push you to subscription, no mention anywhere of a perpetual licence. I am sure its there somewhere,its like one of those "can you find ?" games.

Studio One on the other hand is transparent and honest. The marketing gurus have yet to take over. Its easy to find a perpetual licence and "Sphere" is an option. Anyway, this is derailing this thread so over and out.

[apoclypse]

The only other DAW I know that is almost as tedious as Reason in this regard is Ableton Live.

For me, Reaper is pretty tedious as well. In fact, I'd say Reaper is even harder to get around than Reason is. YMMV...

I don't find Reaper to be hard to use. It's just ugly and laid out poorly (especially the menus) but in-terms of using the application its actually pretty okay. If you've used a "traditional" tape style DAW before Reaper is pretty much that but uglier and more disorganized. I personally don't like it though. I'd rather use Reason any day before Reaper. However I can't say Reaper is hard to use, it just look that way.

[jens]

Actually, I have zero interest in Reason

Actually, what are you doing here in this thread then?

[dellboy]

Actually, I have zero interest in Reason

Actually, what are you doing here in this thread then?

I will re-phrase. I have no interest in "purchasing" Reason.

I do however have an interest in Reason and in all DAWs and software, and follow threads just because I like to follow threads. But my initial post was to inquire about the subscription model and whether people are accepting it, as the model is bound to flow over into all areas of software.

[Smasha]

i have Cl hats Channel 8 Redrum output going to the audio Splitter input 1 and Op Hats Channel 9 Redrum output going to audio Splitter input 2 and a cable going from Splitter 1 output to a Mix track input.

But I get no sound.

The routing stuff has my mind in a mash.

After another 15 minutes of staring at the screen,I give up.

This should be quite simple, especially since you can just follow the cable flow…

I’m assuming that you mean Spider Audio merger/splitter. You’ll use the merger half, on the left hand side. Route one signal into the upper left jack (if it’s a mono hi hat), and the second signal to the next jack to its right. These will now be merged. Use the output where the arrow points to.

That’s it. Is this not what you’ve been doing?

I tried making a mixtrack for the Bass Guitar,routed the signal into the mix track but no sound?

I am hopeless with this cable malarkey.

No need to use anything like a bus track.

You could also NOT use the separate outs for the hihats, just use the main outs for those and use separates for everything else.



OR you can use one of the effect sends. Just crank up the level on send 1 for the hihats, then use that send output in the back.



OR route the two hihat outputs into left and right inputs of the stereo mix channel, and reduce the stereo spread on that channel to full mono.

I tried making a mixtrack for the Bass Guitar,routed the signal into the mix track but no sound?
I am hopeless with this cable malarkey.
It just does not make sense to me.
Outs go to ins don't they?
I took the cables from the Output of the Thor to the input of the Mix Channel,no sound and I am sitting here dumbfounded how to attack this.

If I had a mixing desk and patch bay,I would get it in a jiffy.

P.S. OK,I finally got signal,weird as it did not work before.
I have a new problem though.'
I took the kick drum from it's parallel outputs to the sidechain Ins of the Bass Guitar mix track but
the compressor is receiving the bassline signal to duck too ,not the kick drum.
I don't get it.


P.P.S. I have no bass guitar signal from the mix track only the Thor track ,I routed Thor into a Mix Channel,out from the Thor,into the Mix Channel but no sound.

And because of that the side chaining isdoing nothing.

Duh.



Can I just draw a volume envelope to do the ducking instead otherwise I will be here all week?

I got it working.
I had the cables going into the wrong channels,the ducking is weird though ,though it's not properly working.

[machine_spirit]

I am puzzled by all you guys here pushing Reason when it has pretty much gone subscription only.

So are we at the point where subscription has become a perfectly acceptable option ?

For me, I would never go subscription for any DAW, I would have to find another way. But putting me aside, are we at a tipping point for the majority to accept it ?

I don't think anyone here is pushing for it. Things generally look pretty sober on reasontalk too except for a small number of individuals of the kind you always find on any forum dedicated to a particular brand or product. It's not as if the DAW and rack suddenly became garbage the moment propellerheads decided to sell out to some investors or whatever that business was, so people just continue to talk about it. But yeah, rack plugin subscription is clearly the main product now. Wouldn't surprise me at all if DAW development was officially dropped in 2-3 years, but then again i'm not exactly an optimist.

I'm looking at Live and Bitwig, and neither feel like an obvious choice for me. Live looks better but navigating it feels unintuitive. I seem to get slightly better VST performance with Bitwig too, however i'm looking to upgrade my ancient Lexicon Alpha interface and get some proper headphones for this stuff so that means new drivers and who knows how that will work out. Throw Windows 11 into this mess and i might just end up buying that flute antic604 was talking about

...but I find it a little insulting that the long overdue graphics upgrade is already available to subscribers, but those who actually bought the software and have spent a lot more money on Reason over the years have to wait months for it. Sure, you can still buy Reason if you prefer to own rather than rent, but they want you to know you’re a second class citizen now.

Could not have said it better myself.

[Smasha]

Second class citizen?
As if subscribers are rolling in money.

I used a coupon bonus.

One less take away meal a week.

[THE INTRANCER]

I like their new site...

https://www.reasonstudios.com/download/ ... sonadapted

[jens]

i have Cl hats Channel 8 Redrum output going to the audio Splitter input 1 and Op Hats Channel 9 Redrum output going to audio Splitter input 2 and a cable going from Splitter 1 output to a Mix track input.

But I get no sound.

The routing stuff has my mind in a mash.

After another 15 minutes of staring at the screen,I give up.

This should be quite simple, especially since you can just follow the cable flow…

I’m assuming that you mean Spider Audio merger/splitter. You’ll use the merger half, on the left hand side. Route one signal into the upper left jack (if it’s a mono hi hat), and the second signal to the next jack to its right. These will now be merged. Use the output where the arrow points to.

That’s it. Is this not what you’ve been doing?

I tried making a mixtrack for the Bass Guitar,routed the signal into the mix track but no sound?

I am hopeless with this cable malarkey.

No need to use anything like a bus track.

You could also NOT use the separate outs for the hihats, just use the main outs for those and use separates for everything else.



OR you can use one of the effect sends. Just crank up the level on send 1 for the hihats, then use that send output in the back.



OR route the two hihat outputs into left and right inputs of the stereo mix channel, and reduce the stereo spread on that channel to full mono.

I tried making a mixtrack for the Bass Guitar,routed the signal into the mix track but no sound?
I am hopeless with this cable malarkey.
It just does not make sense to me.
Outs go to ins don't they?
I took the cables from the Output of the Thor to the input of the Mix Channel,no sound and I am sitting here dumbfounded how to attack this.

If I had a mixing desk and patch bay,I would get it in a jiffy.

P.S. OK,I finally got signal,weird as it did not work before.
I have a new problem though.'
I took the kick drum from it's parallel outputs to the sidechain Ins of the Bass Guitar mix track but
the compressor is receiving the bassline signal to duck too ,not the kick drum.
I don't get it.


P.P.S. I have no bass guitar signal from the mix track only the Thor track ,I routed Thor into a Mix Channel,out from the Thor,into the Mix Channel but no sound.

And because of that the side chaining isdoing nothing.

Duh.



Can I just draw a volume envelope to do the ducking instead otherwise I will be here all week?

I got it working.
I had the cables going into the wrong channels,the ducking is weird though ,though it's not properly working.

That sounds all terribly over-complicated and convoluted to me.

You CAN manually route cables in Reason but usually you don't have to - personally I rarely ever do.

So I really wonder what it is that you were trying to achieve?

Making a "mixtrack" for the bass-guitar? What's that?

[JamminFool]

Its a bit like supermarkets that make you walk right to the back to get a pint of milk so that you buy something else along the way.

hopefully you find the milk.