u-he update of almost everything August 2021

[Ploki]

Well, IMO, it's not in the benefits of u-he to hold back the development in Hive and make things more advanced and complex. For me, there is no problem at all because I have all u-he synths (and more from other companies), however, for someone wants all in one power synth, it's strange to tell him/her that Hive can't do that (especially basic things like fm and sync between the 2 oscillators!), and it's better to buy Zebra!
Zebra and Bazille are great synths, but have deep learning curve in general, while Hive is oversimplified. The only balanced synth is Diva, but that is an emulation of several vintage analog synths.
The advantage of adding some advanced oscillators or/and phase/frequency modulations is that Hive is already has easy workflow, so it's faster to achieve complex sounds with that workflow if the tools available.
Yes, maybe making Hive more complex would make Zebra and Bazille not very needed, but why buy Hive and Bazille/Zebra when you need just one synth like Serum/Phase Plant/Vital?!

Hive 2 is not "all in one power synth", it's a fast synth with a limited feature set. I never understand hive as "all in one powersynth" and i don't think it is one - it's main advantage over i.e. Zebra is great sound with light CPU footprint, and fast workflow.

I don't see how Bazille fits into this equation anyway, it's a different type of workflow/sound.

As far as Serum/Phase Plant/Vital go, i sold Serum, Phase Plant is too much, Vital is good but ultimately i went back to Hive.
I don't see how making Hive a behemoth would benefit Hive in its essence

[EnGee]

Come on guys! All I'm asking is adding fm and sync between the 2 oscillators!
I remember when I suggested a wavetable when Hive 1 released and all the crowd here treated my suggestion as a heresy!
Everyone is lecturing me on how to use Hive and what Hive is! Thanks a lot! But I'm still heretic

Anyway, it's not that Urs would start doing what I suggested! Calm down! It won't happen till Sylenth1 adding them one day

[e-crooner]

Frankly, I never missed FM and sync in Sylenth1, when I was still using it as my go-to synth.
And now that I have such things on Invader and Retrologue, I still don't use them, because they are not overly musical in my view.

[Ploki]

Come on guys! All I'm asking is adding fm and sync between the 2 oscillators!

that i can get behind tho

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Sure...Urs goes to all the trouble of reducing CPU usage in Hive and you guys want it to go right back up again by adding audio-rate modulations like FM and Sync! For shame! For shame!

I've got lots of sync and FM wavetables that already get me those sounds in Hive 2 without the need to use a lot of CPU. So Hive isn't short on those types of sounds. In fact, Plugmon has an FM Anthem preset bank that includes a ton of great FM sounds via the wavetables.

https://plugmon.jp/product/hive-fm-anthem/

#JustSaying

[EnGee]

I missed them on Sylenth1 and wondered why on earth there is no such modulation! It is not a new thing at all! Many vintage 70's synths had it.
Yes, maybe for some soft styles of music it is not needed, but you don't need a synth either! A GM set sounds might all you need (seriously).

Anyway, just ignore me please! Keep the bees happy and let's the honey fills your mouths

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

You can already create very aggressive and very hard sounds using the wavetables in Hive, including FM and sync wavetables. They have other products that do audio rate modulations, but there’s a CPU cost to that. Adding it to Hive now would likely be non-trivial and potentially CPU demanding. Whereas using sync and FM wavetables costs nothing in CPU versus any other wavetables. If you want audio rate, there are other products that will get you there.

[EnGee]

OK

[recursive one]

Come on guys! All I'm asking is adding fm and sync between the 2 oscillators!

These are exactly the two features I want to be added to Hive. And a vowel filter is the third of these two

There are 100 good reasons why this will never happen but if this happened that would be very cool.

Yes, you could use some FMed and synced wavetables, or even roll your own with Uhm scripting (I'm too dense for that tho, maybe I should just get that Plugmon pack).

[anoise]

Come on guys! All I'm asking is adding fm and sync between the 2 oscillators!

These are exactly the two features I want to be added to Hive. And a vowel filter is the third of these two

There are 100 good reasons why this will never happen but if this happened that would be very cool.

Yes, you could use some FMed and synced wavetables, or even roll your own with Uhm scripting (I'm too dense for that tho, maybe I should just get that Plugmon pack).

We asked the same in January:
viewtopic.php?p=8017023#p8017023
Just speculation, but maybe FM and high unison in the oscillators would dramatically increase CPU consumption. But they could limit the number of unison voices when FM or sync is enabled...

[pdxindy]

But they could limit the number of unison voices when FM or sync is enabled...

basically limit it to 1

[recursive one]

Come on guys! All I'm asking is adding fm and sync between the 2 oscillators!

These are exactly the two features I want to be added to Hive. And a vowel filter is the third of these two

There are 100 good reasons why this will never happen but if this happened that would be very cool.

Yes, you could use some FMed and synced wavetables, or even roll your own with Uhm scripting (I'm too dense for that tho, maybe I should just get that Plugmon pack).

We asked the same in January:
viewtopic.php?p=8017023#p8017023
Just speculation, but maybe FM and high unison in the oscillators would dramatically increase CPU consumption. But they could limit the number of unison voices when FM or sync is enabled...

Yep, I remember these talks, they always ended up with "use wavetables/learn scripting".

Idk, I don't quite get the CPU argument. My CPU barely notices Hive, it's very lightweight for the sound quality it provides. Should there be some features taxing more CPU for some specific kinds of sounds, one could just not use them when they are not needed.

I guess Urs just doesn't see these features as essential.

I'm coming from Virus TI where FM and sync are right here in the osc section, so I'm used to having these and have a lot of uses for them, it may sound extremelly cool with vairous wavetables. It was the first sound I made in Virus - synced and FMed 2 oscs and got THAT psytrance sound right away I also think most other wavetabale synths have 2-osc FM, even those that don't have many other WT effects/modifiers like ANA2 of Sektor

Sure...Urs goes to all the trouble of reducing CPU usage in Hive and you guys want it to go right back up again by adding audio-rate modulations like FM and Sync!

Yep, that's exactly what we want

On the other hand, I think it might be possible to come up with some simplified algorithms that don't need much realtime audio rate calculations to sound good. I think al least some FM modes in Virus replace the actual modulator osc input with triangle waves, and Viper convincingly recreates this without taxing that much CPU, at least I never noticed it to use significantly more CPU when FM and sync are enabled. And Viper is a Flowstone creation, which probably limits the possible optimisations somewhat.

I the context of Hive I think that might be FM from/sync to the sub, it definitely could get by without FMing the two main osc between themselves

[J-Aro]

Out of Hive2 and Zebra2, what should I pick? I'm stuck.

[PieBerger]

Out of Hive2 and Zebra2, what should I pick? I'm stuck.

They both have demos, try and decide for yourself, only you know what's best for your own needs. Or just buy both

[J-Aro]

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They both have demos, try and decide for yourself, only you know what's best for your own needs. Or just buy both
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Of course, I just meant feature wise what offers more and would be better bang for your buck. More fact based and not my opinion etc.