Imagine I would sh*t on that manufacturerchk071 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:49 pmImagine a manufacturer would introduce a new CPU architecture. Oops!fmr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:01 pmIt would have to go really bad, isf a program with barealy one year would stop working, all of a sudden. I still have Cubase 8.5 installed (because of 32-bit bridge that no longer exists in later versions) and you know what? It still works, in the latest Windows 10 version, in a brand new i9 10k computer.
Any news on the Cubase dongle divorce?
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Fernando (FMR)
- KVRist
- 257 posts since 19 May, 2017 from Ukraine, Odesa
So, basically, on all that is present today.fmr wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:46 amImagine I would sh*t on that manufacturerchk071 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:49 pmImagine a manufacturer would introduce a new CPU architecture. Oops!fmr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:01 pmIt would have to go really bad, isf a program with barealy one year would stop working, all of a sudden. I still have Cubase 8.5 installed (because of 32-bit bridge that no longer exists in later versions) and you know what? It still works, in the latest Windows 10 version, in a brand new i9 10k computer.
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
What? Did you read what I wrote? I am running Cubase 8.5 (as well as Cubase 11) in a newer PC assembled in the end of last year, running the latest version of Windows 10.Serhii Kot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:08 amSo, basically, on all that is present today.fmr wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:46 amImagine I would sh*t on that manufacturerchk071 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:49 pmImagine a manufacturer would introduce a new CPU architecture. Oops!fmr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:01 pmIt would have to go really bad, isf a program with barealy one year would stop working, all of a sudden. I still have Cubase 8.5 installed (because of 32-bit bridge that no longer exists in later versions) and you know what? It still works, in the latest Windows 10 version, in a brand new i9 10k computer.
I am also using an RME HDSP PCI + Multiface. Of course, this wouldn't be possible in that other platform we know about
Fernando (FMR)
- KVRist
- 257 posts since 19 May, 2017 from Ukraine, Odesa
And you have said that you will shit on any manufacturer that introduced a new architecture. Is that correct? Or I am missing something?
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- KVRAF
- 35569 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Your interpretation is incorrect. He didn't say that he shits on any manufacturer that introduces a new architecture.
I'd shit on it as well though, if I can't even use my old stuff anymore (not that I don't shit on it for other reasons as well though..). In another thread someone asked if Waldorf Largo will get a M1 compatibility update. I highly doubt it. And, I wouldn't want to live without Largo really. Being on the bleeding edge of technology sucks, especially when you claim that your computers are professional music, design and what not workstations. That's like the far opposite of what you should do then.
Not that Microsoft isn't on a good way to become the same though, regarding the system requirements of Windows 11. Obviously they learned from Apple, in a bad way.
I'd shit on it as well though, if I can't even use my old stuff anymore (not that I don't shit on it for other reasons as well though..). In another thread someone asked if Waldorf Largo will get a M1 compatibility update. I highly doubt it. And, I wouldn't want to live without Largo really. Being on the bleeding edge of technology sucks, especially when you claim that your computers are professional music, design and what not workstations. That's like the far opposite of what you should do then.
Not that Microsoft isn't on a good way to become the same though, regarding the system requirements of Windows 11. Obviously they learned from Apple, in a bad way.
- KVRist
- 257 posts since 19 May, 2017 from Ukraine, Odesa
I mean, it's clearly an overstatement, windows had arm computers for a while now. But they seem to not support almost any professional software.
And now, after Apple's success with ARM architecture, all other manufacturers sudenly started to develop an arm-based soc.
So I assumed that "shit on this manufacturer" also affects future products.
And now, after Apple's success with ARM architecture, all other manufacturers sudenly started to develop an arm-based soc.
So I assumed that "shit on this manufacturer" also affects future products.
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- KVRAF
- 35569 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Yeah, Windows has ARM as well, but, it never really took off, most probably also because of compatibility problems. As far as I know, there's very few ARM native software for Windows.
If anything, it will take decades for Windows to completely adopt ARM. Apple just says "Screw this, we will do it now, today.". Ok, that's just consequent. People will have to live with the consequences of such consequence though.
If anything, it will take decades for Windows to completely adopt ARM. Apple just says "Screw this, we will do it now, today.". Ok, that's just consequent. People will have to live with the consequences of such consequence though.
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
If Microsoft would EVER assume a clear bet on ARM, I think that would never be made at the cost of stopping support existing platofrm. So, users would have the possibility to choose which platform to use, and therefore, keeping compatibility.Serhii Kot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:35 am I mean, it's clearly an overstatement, windows had arm computers for a while now. But they seem to not support almost any professional software.
And now, after Apple's success with ARM architecture, all other manufacturers sudenly started to develop an arm-based soc.
So I assumed that "shit on this manufacturer" also affects future products.
Which, BTW, is the status of Apple too. They even said they will not abandon Intel right away. Only the lower part of their catalog is now ARM based. Any top model is still Intel.
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Fernando (FMR)
- KVRist
- 257 posts since 19 May, 2017 from Ukraine, Odesa
It is true.
Anyways, very interesting why many big software names already created native apple silicon products but were laughing on windows with their ARM laptops back then (Adobe particularly). But MacOS is only around, what? 10% of the market?
I am very surprised about the speed of software transition.
Back to the topic. Dongles suck balls
Anyways, very interesting why many big software names already created native apple silicon products but were laughing on windows with their ARM laptops back then (Adobe particularly). But MacOS is only around, what? 10% of the market?
I am very surprised about the speed of software transition.
Back to the topic. Dongles suck balls
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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
IF Microsoft would go fully ARM, it would be still ol' Win NT with just an additional layer for ARM. Win98 icons would be still there for all of us who can't live without them
- KVRAF
- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Adobe? Not ALL of them - just a few: https://helpx.adobe.com/download-instal ... -chip.htmlSerhii Kot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:32 pm It is true.
Anyways, very interesting why many big software names already created native apple silicon products but were laughing on windows with their ARM laptops back then (Adobe particularly). But MacOS is only around, what? 10% of the market?
And they will keep supporting Intel too:
"Will Adobe continue to support Apple devices with Intel processors?
Yes. We have no plans to stop support for Apple devices with Intel processors."
Better safe than sorry, I guess. And the amount of their monthly revenue helps paying for the extra burden in development costs
Fernando (FMR)
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- KVRist
- 448 posts since 26 Mar, 2014
My mac mini m1 runs all my daws just fine, either as native or through rosetta(including cubase).
Do you actually own an m1 mac or are you just regurgitating some bollocks you saw on a clickbait youtube video?
Win 10 with Ryzen 5950x, Bitwig 5, too many plugins, Novation Circuit Mono Station and now a lovely Waldorf Blofeld.
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- KVRAF
- 35569 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Be happy that most developers contemporarily patched their software, that's all I can say.
AFAIK, Logic Pro and Bitwig are the only ones which run natively on M1 anyway, anything else is Rosetta.
AFAIK, Logic Pro and Bitwig are the only ones which run natively on M1 anyway, anything else is Rosetta.
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- KVRAF
- 3043 posts since 6 Nov, 2006
- KVRAF
- 8845 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
And Reaper as well…
Bitwig in native mode is the one one which can run plugins which are native together with those which are not (yet)… Only old 32-bit plugins are locked out…
And as Max 8.2 will be native as well (its in public beta now), its only a question of time to switch to a way faster macbook pro…
Bitwig in native mode is the one one which can run plugins which are native together with those which are not (yet)… Only old 32-bit plugins are locked out…
And as Max 8.2 will be native as well (its in public beta now), its only a question of time to switch to a way faster macbook pro…