Plogue OPS7 (bit-accurate DX7 emulation!)

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KVRian
798 posts since 3 Aug, 2001 from Montreal

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:52 am

foosnark wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:38 am
Maybe someday I will learn the YM2612 SSG envelope stuff. Yamaha was really not afraid of confusing people in the 80s :lol:
The YM2612 SSG-EG stuff wasn't even supposed to be used really. Some weird remnant of the OPN's emulation of the good old AY-3-8910 core that they removed in the Genesis because of Sega-PSG(DCSG), but that's a topic for another day. TL;DR: it makes cool looping envelope sounds.
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KVRAF
7508 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:07 pm

davidv@plogue wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:52 am
foosnark wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:38 am
Maybe someday I will learn the YM2612 SSG envelope stuff. Yamaha was really not afraid of confusing people in the 80s :lol:
The YM2612 SSG-EG stuff wasn't even supposed to be used really. Some weird remnant of the OPN's emulation of the good old AY-3-8910 core that they removed in the Genesis because of Sega-PSG(DCSG), but that's a topic for another day. TL;DR: it makes cool looping envelope sounds.
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Can you please add up/down arrows keys support for navigating the sysex presets? Thank you :)
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KVRian
798 posts since 3 Aug, 2001 from Montreal

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:20 pm

EnGee wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:07 pm
Can you please add up/down arrows keys support for navigating the sysex presets? Thank you :)
In which part? either in A/B tab directly or in the left file browser works here (PC).
Do you mean in the full FILE/A/B/HW Columns? that's not simple since you can highlight more than one file with mouse+modifyers.
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KVRist
94 posts since 8 Jun, 2009

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:35 pm

fmr wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:25 am
gaggle of hermits wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:52 pm
i was about to ask if I could get what fmr is smoking, but then realised it’s probably a mixture of furniture polish and glue.

about the only constructive point you’ve made is about the algorithm display and even then as it’s on a rotary, and the arrangement updates in real time I don’t think it’s a big deal. most of the the time you were dealing with a handful of algorithms on the dx7 and you’d wind up remembering what numbers they are.
Oh look, another fanboy with "ad hominem" attacks, and nothing else. :roll:
Honestly, what exactly is your problem? Are you trying to impress someone with your constant snark?

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KVRAF
7508 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:54 pm

davidv@plogue wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:20 pm
EnGee wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:07 pm
Can you please add up/down arrows keys support for navigating the sysex presets? Thank you :)
In which part? either in A/B tab directly or in the left file browser works here (PC).
Do you mean in the full FILE/A/B/HW Columns? that's not simple since you can highlight more than one file with mouse+modifyers.
In the File column. If I press the up key, instead of going to 11.E.PIANO 1, the track no. 6 is highlighted, and vice versa, so I think the OPS7 windows needs to have the function of the arrow keys when it is in focused.
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KVRAF
4524 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:19 pm

foosnark wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:38 am
digitallysane wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:53 am
The DX7 Bible
https://archive.org/details/thecompletedx7
Thanks for sharing that -- DX7 envelopes always have baffled me, including in FM8, but now they at least make a little sense. Still weird and unintuitive in some ways, but not a total mystery :tu:

Maybe someday I will learn the YM2612 SSG envelope stuff. Yamaha was really not afraid of confusing people in the 80s :lol:
I must be in the minority but I found the envelopes always intuitive and easy .
It's just 'time x' to reach 'level x ', 'time y' to reach 'level y' etc...
Same as the roland romplers ,
Later on roland and yamaha added an additional level( without time) , roland called it level 0 , yamaha called it initial level ( mostly filter envelopes )
Also , the dx level stages ALSO affect the time under certain conditions , depending on the next time/ level stage.
I think it's that what confuses most people , will post an example tommorow where it's obvious
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KVRian
798 posts since 3 Aug, 2001 from Montreal

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:21 pm

EnGee wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:54 pm
In the File column. If I press the up key, instead of going to 11.E.PIANO 1, the track no. 6 is highlighted, and vice versa, so I think the OPS7 windows needs to have the function of the arrow keys when it is in focused.
Right thats what I was afraid of, Its the only place where keyboard doesn't work. I think its because of the fact that you can highlight multiple entries with the mouse+ctrl/etc. Will check if its possible.
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KVRAF
13114 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:24 pm

It is definitely priced right. Is this using Plogue's standard license file copy protection, ala bidule?

KVRian
798 posts since 3 Aug, 2001 from Montreal

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:28 pm

ghettosynth wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:24 pm
It is definitely priced right. Is this using Plogue's standard license file copy protection, ala bidule?
Bidule uses our older .bin file (2001 called)
All our products since then use our ARIA/Fermata personalized keycard registration system.
Install on as many machines as you want. Your name and address are on the card.

This video is nearly 10 years old and in dire need of a refresh but it should give you an idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhObtpl39OU
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KVRist
479 posts since 9 Apr, 2005 from Japan

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:45 pm

TreyM wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:07 pm
fmr wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:27 pm
I am here because I want to, and also bought the software. Why? Are you willing to shut me?

Speaking of "trolling" - did you already delete that miserable insinuation you wrote about Arturia?
I have not posted on this site in years, and yet... I have been following this thread, and honestly you have done almost nothing but post passive aggressive replies to random people who you disagree with for pages upon pages in this thread. I would wager that if I go digging through your post history overall, which I can't be bothered to do, I would find more of the same. I would suggest lightening TF up, but that's just me.
He's an insufferable tool in every thread.
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KVRAF
7508 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:20 pm

davidv@plogue wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:21 pm
EnGee wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:54 pm
In the File column. If I press the up key, instead of going to 11.E.PIANO 1, the track no. 6 is highlighted, and vice versa, so I think the OPS7 windows needs to have the function of the arrow keys when it is in focused.
Right thats what I was afraid of, Its the only place where keyboard doesn't work. I think its because of the fact that you can highlight multiple entries with the mouse+ctrl/etc. Will check if its possible.
Thank you :)
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KVRAF
5861 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:57 pm

gentleclockdivider wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:19 pm
Also , the dx level stages ALSO affect the time under certain conditions , depending on the next time/ level stage.
I think it's that what confuses most people , will post an example tommorow where it's obvious
For me it's:

- "Rate" rather than "time", so higher = faster where most envelopes higher = takes longer.
- Without the diagram on the DX7 front panel, it doesn't really indicate that L3 is the sustain level and L4 is initial/final. And since that initial level is a little unusual in envelopes (but admittedly very handy for modulation!) it's that much more confusing at first.
- Levels affect the rate. Sometimes they completely negate a stage so the rate doesn't do anything (instead of acting as a delay or hold).
- The visual display of the envelope in OPS7 is scaled on the X axis with no "sustain" stage and you can't really tell what it's representing. With R1-R4 at 99, you have the same graph with levels of 99,99,99,0 (a gate) vs. 99,99,0,0 (an extremely short impulse click). With levels at 99,0,99,0 it looks like two AD envelopes but it's still just a gate until you start tweaking rates. (It's been a while since I used FM8, but I felt some similar confusion.)

Anyway, like I said, having read the explanation (and looking at a photo of the DX7 front panel) it's a bit less confusing, but it's still weird and unfamiliar. Flexible and powerful yes. Still going to take a little time to get used to though :)

KVRAF
13114 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm

davidv@plogue wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:28 pm
ghettosynth wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:24 pm
It is definitely priced right. Is this using Plogue's standard license file copy protection, ala bidule?
Bidule uses our older .bin file (2001 called)
All our products since then use our ARIA/Fermata personalized keycard registration system.
Install on as many machines as you want. Your name and address are on the card.

This video is nearly 10 years old and in dire need of a refresh but it should give you an idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhObtpl39OU
Thanks, to be clear though, does it require activation on every install, or, once the card is created can it just be copied to another machine, e.g., one that is offline?

KVRAF
1785 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:06 pm

gentleclockdivider wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:19 pm

I must be in the minority but I found the envelopes always intuitive and easy .
It's just 'time x' to reach 'level x ', 'time y' to reach 'level y' etc...
Respectfully, this is misleading and inaccurate, and just furthers a lot of people's (totally understandable) confusion with the DX7 envelopes:

It's not 'time', it's rate. And that means moving the knob forward (right) = Faster, and moving it back (left) = Slower, for the four rate knobs. Which is, you must agree, exactly the opposite of what people generally expect from such knobs!

Usually we think "if the knob is all the way forward, it's a long or slow amount of time." But on the DX7, again (as you know) forward is not "lots of time / slow" it's "increased rate" and thereby Fast or short. I mean, about 99% of popular synths follow the 'turn it right means longer and slower" logic. Yamaha said "eff that", turned them from Time to Rate, and flipped everything around. (I know, I know, the DX7 itself didn't have knobs; thus the further confusion when its envelopes are translated to knobs or sliders in modern day UIs, etc.)

It takes some getting used to, no doubt. As for possible noobs reading this and wondering about Time vs. Rate, just think about how 99 seconds is longer than 1 second, but 99 MPH is FASTER than 1 MPH, and it will click in....
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KVRian
1329 posts since 8 Jan, 2003 from Edinburgh

Post Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:27 am

ghettosynth wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:54 pm
davidv@plogue wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:28 pm
ghettosynth wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:24 pm
It is definitely priced right. Is this using Plogue's standard license file copy protection, ala bidule?
Bidule uses our older .bin file (2001 called)
All our products since then use our ARIA/Fermata personalized keycard registration system.
Install on as many machines as you want. Your name and address are on the card.

This video is nearly 10 years old and in dire need of a refresh but it should give you an idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhObtpl39OU
Thanks, to be clear though, does it require activation on every install, or, once the card is created can it just be copied to another machine, e.g., one that is offline?
You just drag the png file over the plugin once - and it's activated.
That's it ;)
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