Will Tyrell ever get updates with newer features common to other u-he synths?

[attention ♥]

What about ACE? We always thought it was priced rather competitively…

It is, but since it's basically a modular "mini Bazille" I don't think it's as appealing as a "mini Hive" or a "mini Diva" would be.

Mini Bazille is BazilleCM, ACE really is its own thing.

[Stirner]

"Priced competitively" - yes, but (69 EUR) for a complex premium plugin. Softubes Parallels or Arthurias Pigments can/could be bought for 50-60 EUR I believe. Other synths had even lower prices.

Too be honest I thought more of a 10-20 EUR plugin, one VCO/VCF/LFO/ADSR and maybe a delay or a chorus and with poliphonic unison voices. (Maybe not even an analog Tyrell, but a digital/additive unit).

[tasmaniandevil]

Too be honest I thought more of a 10-20 EUR plugin, one VCO/VCF/LFO/ADSR and maybe a delay or a chorus and with poliphonic unison voices. (Maybe not even an analog Tyrell, but a digital/additive unit).

That's what we typically release as freeware.
It would be odd to do the same kind of plugin and charge money for it.

[muki]

Too be honest I thought more of a 10-20 EUR plugin, one VCO/VCF/LFO/ADSR and maybe a delay or a chorus and with poliphonic unison voices. (Maybe not even an analog Tyrell, but a digital/additive unit).

sounds (quite exactly) like the zabraCM to me
around 5,- iirc...

[EvilDragon]

What about ACE? We always thought it was priced rather competitively…

It is, but since it's basically a modular "mini Bazille" I don't think it's as appealing as a "mini Hive" or a "mini Diva" would be.

Has nothing to do with Bazille apart from having cables and patch points.

[pierb]

Has nothing to do with Bazille apart from having cables and patch points.

The modular aspect is pretty fundamental to Bazille, no?

Also, I think I read somewhere ACE was actually the project that lead to the creation of Bazille.

[EvilDragon]

That doesn't make it a mini-Bazille, they sound very very different. Both were intended to be a part of "Berlin Modular" system, which seems to be a shelved project that won't happen. Although I would indeed welcome an ACE XL someday.

[Urs]

By now we see “Berlin Modular” as a product family more so than a distinct plug-in or product…

[Echoes in the Attic]

Any news about upgraded Tyrell? Thanks

Amazona wish to keep exclusivity until the end of this year, so we won't start updating before 2022. This also aligns with our schedule as we're excessively busy still with Apple Silicon updates, a new layer for AAX later on and final work on Uhbik as well as starting Zebra3 development for real.

Now that it's the new year, I thought I'd check in to see if Tyrell updates, or payware version, is on the horizon.

[Urs]

Not really. Things are going very slow. We can't really focus on TyrellN6 before we rescue MFM, Filterscape and Uhbik.

[krans]

We can't really focus on TyrellN6 before we rescue MFM, Filterscape and Uhbik.

Why "rescue"?
Are they lost at sea at the moment?

[Urs]

We can't really focus on TyrellN6 before we rescue MFM, Filterscape and Uhbik.

Why "rescue"?
Are they lost at sea at the moment?

Kind of...

For us it's simply important that we have all our plugins in a current state that's stable. Like "if we build revision 12731 of XY, it's got all features and is as stable as it gets". Unfortunately, with MFM, Filterscape, Uhbik and Tyrell we have not reached that state; neither have we with any AAX versions (even though today we got informed that PACE finally figured "it" out).

As such, those four are pretty much at the same state, but with MFM and Uhbik at least we have intermediate builds out there (betas/alphas) that pay some of what's called "technical debt".

Our current work on a larger scale, or, at least, much of it, is all about decoupling release cycles of things like platform issues from things like our internal feature set. Such that, in future, we hope to be more on the ball when any of that becomes a necessity.

[Sidom]

So on some other KVR thread I saw Urs' message about their future plans regarding plugin updates, and I was so glad to see that Tyrell will not be abandoned, and will finally get updates, deservedly so. I found this thread, read it all, and there's already been many great suggestions, whether it be quality-of-life improvements or feature additions.

I thought I would chime in and share my Tyrell (PRO? MEGA? ULTRA?) wish-list.

1. This might be controversial (and will probably never happen), but I'll still give it a shot - if I remember correctly, Tyrell's current filter is an early prototype of one of Diva's filters, so why don't we do something similar again, and steal Uhbie filter from Diva?

I know, sounds crazy, but hear me out. Current filter is multimode - so is Uhbie, albeit 12db only. Adding 24db option for it would be cool, but, ultimately, too much work for a low cost synth, right? (Current filter has 24db option, though). Also, I reckon it wouldn't be too much of a hassle to implement Uhbie filter into the GUI - something like Diva style filter selector or something even simpler would work.

For what it's worth, it seems that Oberheim synths (both hardware and software) are trending at the moment: there have been quite a few Oberheim VSTs released in the last couple of years, and in the hardware front the OB-6 is already by many considered a "modern classic", while the newly released OB-8X is also getting great reviews. And let's not forget the upcoming Behringer UB-Xa.

So anyway, from where I'm standing (amateur musician, definitely not a businessman ), adding Uhbie filter to Tyrell, I think could potentially have these outcomes:

a) If priced competitively (40-50 EUR?), I'm quite confident to say, that it would be the go-to plugin for those looking for "that" Oberheim sound. SEM filter is quite often regarded as the crème de la crème Oberheim filter (OB-6 being 2nd) - that means that Tyrell + Uhbie would already have an upper hand in the Oberheim VSTs market. OB-Xd (free/49 EUR) would be the closest competitor, but in the VSTs world "u-he" is synonym to the word "quality", so I think there's no debate what people would choose. Other Oberheim emulation VSTs are more expensive, or they are not as versatile, or simply not modeled after SEM (OB-Xa emulations).

b) This addition would make Tyrell a great "intro to u-he" or even a "mini Diva" synth. ACE, although a great sounding synth, is, IMO, not as beginner friendly as Tyrell. Some people said that current Tyrell filter is a rather "cold" sounding one, so Uhbie would be a fantastic addition, as it is a gorgeous sounding filter. Tyrell is a quite limited synth compared to u-he premium catalog, but it would be a great way to check if a person likes "the u-he sound". Beginners, after using Tyrell for a while, would start looking for something more flexible. They already know the quality of Uhbie (and it sounds great too), so what are their options if they want same quality but different sounding filters with more flexibility? Well, if I were in their shoes, at that point I would definitely look at Diva - it has a familiar Uhbie + other great sounding filters, it is more versatile, and, of course, regarded as one of the best sounding soft synths ever made.

c) This is personal . Oberheim SEM is my favourite sounding filter. I have always wanted u-he to do a dedicated Oberheim synth emulation, ideally a 12db multimode SEM + 24db OB-Xa emulation in one synth, but if my memory serves me right, Urs said that he isn't keen on doing synth emulations anymore. Yes, I already have Diva with Uhbie filter, and I do use it, but I just prefer limited simpler emulations like Repro because I like to use VSTs with my MIDI controller, so the less knobs/sliders - the easier it is to map it on most controllers. Dedicated emulations are more accurate as well. And also I'm the type of person that gets overwhelmed by options quite quickly, so there are times when I get lost in the sound shaping capabilities of Diva, that in the end I don't get anything done. Tyrell + Uhbie could be my "some sort of Oberheim emulation by u-he" synth.

OK, back to the wish-list.

2. OSC2 wave shapes same as OSC1.

3. GUI overhaul with improvement to knobs' and sliders' resolution/sensitivity. Right now, for example, SHAPE 1, SHAPE 2, TUNE 2, FILTER MOD1 and MOD2 knobs are, IMO, too fast, making them practically unusable with my midi controller.

4. MPE, more voices, multicore support, VST3, CLAP, etc.

5. Mono/legato release retrigger behavior like in Diva (stealing EvilDragon's suggestion here )

6. Simple à la Sequential "Vintage" knob?

Regarding FX: I don't think Tyrell needs any FX. As I see it, it is better to leave it to the premium synths and dedicated FX plugins. Well, maybe a very simple delay and reverb could be added, but refining the sound engine is more important, IMO.

Well, I don't know if any of this makes much sense, but either way I'm excited and can't wait to see Tyrell updated. Knowing u-he, I'm sure we won't be disappointed.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Tyrell getting any love this year?

[tasmaniandevil]

Probably not this year, sorry.
We are still working on the Filterscape update, next in line will be Uhbik. Once this is done, we can check if there's time for Tyrell.