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VST, AU, AAX, etc. plug-in Virtual Instruments discussion
KVRist
294 posts since 18 Jul, 2021

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:50 pm

Biome_Digital wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:23 pm
You've all missed the point. I mean sharing patches from the xpansions using effects. It won't be just sawtooths. But forget it.
if anyone has missed the point it's you.

this started with the question if you use the expansion effects would it load in basic Omnisphere or be unusable? a preset was then, <Johnny rotten voice "a rude word"> shared </rotten rude word> to test this. the answer? it loads minus the effect in question.

for some reason despite the file in question being <50kb, you asked if a sample was being shared (which it wasn't).

then you started to move the goalposts with a "what if expansion presets are being shared?", which they weren't.

in any case, the omn files are presets - they don't contain the samples, which go into a different folder and have to be packaged up for distribution. plus, even if someone went to all that bother, it wouldn't load as expected because the effect won't be licensed (and who knows, maybe the samples are encoded so they only unlock with a licence).

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393 posts since 13 Jul, 2021

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:53 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:48 pm
As far as I know a shared Omnisphere patch or bank references the sample, if the sample is used from Omnisphere's core library. Except, when the sample used is a user sample.
It wasn't either. It was the Initialized Patch with an added Nylon Sky Reverb. That's all. Stop trying to cancel NoiseBoyUK, he's an OG.

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KVRAF
32943 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:55 pm

hoxclab wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:53 pm
aMUSEd wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:48 pm
As far as I know a shared Omnisphere patch or bank references the sample, if the sample is used from Omnisphere's core library. Except, when the sample used is a user sample.
It wasn't either. It was the Initialized Patch with an added Nylon Sky Reverb. That's all. Stop trying to cancel NoiseBoyUK, he's an OG.
huh? That has no relevance to my response.

KVRist
38 posts since 31 May, 2012 from United States

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:07 pm

I've been looking closely at the Nylon Sky but it occurred to me that I have almost every OrangeTree Sample Guitar Library (thanks Group Buy!). I thought, I wonder how Omnisphere's new Strum algos/presets in the arp would work since I'm not a huge fan of the strumming script in those libraries. Here's a small 8 bar sample of a Omnisphere Strummer pattern playing the OTS Mandolin (mostly a palm mute preset).

https://www.bandlab.com/jobi7/mandolin- ... 4a5e798978

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KVRAF
3593 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:09 pm

noiseboyuk wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:06 am
LeVzi wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:43 am
OK so which genres would you say each expansion suits the most ?
NYLON SKY
Not very genre-specific this. Anything that might use a nylon guitar. The patch variations are pretty broad, in the main it's all on the gentle side of things as you might expect.

SEISMIC SHOCK
Any form of dance music - EDM, Dubstep, Trap, the usual suspects. Also pop too.

UNCLEAN MACHINE
(still haven't had the time to try this, but retro obviously - but older sounds are so prevelant in all genres now it's usefulness is pretty broad I'd expect)

UNDERCURRENT
This feels a bit mis-labelled, claiming to be "the darker side". Some are dark, but most patches I've tried thus far aren't at all, but they are utterly gorgeous. Very broad range of stuff here for electronica, soundtracks, pop, pop/rock, alt... almost anything really.
Ok thanks mate .
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393 posts since 13 Jul, 2021

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:26 pm

jobi7 wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:07 pm
I've been looking closely at the Nylon Sky but it occurred to me that I have almost every OrangeTree Sample Guitar Library (thanks Group Buy!). I thought, I wonder how Omnisphere's new Strum algos/presets in the arp would work since I'm not a huge fan of the strumming script in those libraries. Here's a small 8 bar sample of a Omnisphere Strummer pattern playing the OTS Mandolin (mostly a palm mute preset).

https://www.bandlab.com/jobi7/mandolin- ... 4a5e798978
How did you get this to work? Like how did you get the arp from Omnisphere working with Orange Tree? Sounds interesting.

KVRist
38 posts since 31 May, 2012 from United States

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:43 pm

hoxclab wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:26 pm
jobi7 wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:07 pm
I've been looking closely at the Nylon Sky but it occurred to me that I have almost every OrangeTree Sample Guitar Library (thanks Group Buy!). I thought, I wonder how Omnisphere's new Strum algos/presets in the arp would work since I'm not a huge fan of the strumming script in those libraries. Here's a small 8 bar sample of a Omnisphere Strummer pattern playing the OTS Mandolin (mostly a palm mute preset).

https://www.bandlab.com/jobi7/mandolin- ... 4a5e798978
How did you get this to work? Like how did you get the arp from Omnisphere working with Orange Tree? Sounds interesting.
Omnisphere has a MIDI recorder built into the arp. So pick any patch in Omnisphere and turn on the Arp. If you've downloaded the new 2.8 update, select an arp preset from the STRUM folder. (The one I did is called "Rancho Strummo". Then on the bottom right select the "Capture" button and select a pattern length up to 16 bars. Just hit play on your DAW (don't need to record it) and play a chord progression the length of the pattern. It will stop recording at the end of the length you've set. Then you can drag it as a MIDI pattern (that four arrow cross pattern next to the capture button) onto any MIDI track and use it with any MIDI instrument you have. Hope that helps.

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393 posts since 13 Jul, 2021

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:45 pm

Thank you! Very cool.

KVRist
38 posts since 31 May, 2012 from United States

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:46 pm

A couple of other thoughts while I test this. Muted strings with slower mid to slower tempos seem to work the most realistically. I have to keep playing with it though. Very promising.

KVRAF
3451 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:01 pm

I think all the patch sharing thing is burning out, but to clarify:

1. It is fine for a third party patch to use Spectrasonics samples. The patch itself only contains a reference to those samples.

2. If it uses Spectrasonics wavetables, this is fine too.

3. There's no difference between Extensions, Trilian, Keyscape, Moog etc with regard to any of this. You just need to make sure that the users of your patches have all the elements you are using, otherwise the patch won't work properly. Simply - if you are making patches for regular Omni 2 users, don't use any elements (soundsources, wavetables or fx) from other Spectrasonics libraries.

4. If you use your own Soundsources, the patch saved only references these too. If you want to share the patches with your own soundsources, you need to export them as a .omnisphere file.

This was a public service announcement. No copyrights have been infringed, or lawyers notified.
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KVRian
1223 posts since 26 Feb, 2016

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:06 pm

Sonic Extensions - Undercurrent - Part 2 No talk Deep Walkthrough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMDUdzUBsQY

KVRAF
3451 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:06 pm

LeVzi wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:09 pm
noiseboyuk wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:06 am
LeVzi wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:43 am
OK so which genres would you say each expansion suits the most ?
NYLON SKY
Not very genre-specific this. Anything that might use a nylon guitar. The patch variations are pretty broad, in the main it's all on the gentle side of things as you might expect.

SEISMIC SHOCK
Any form of dance music - EDM, Dubstep, Trap, the usual suspects. Also pop too.

UNCLEAN MACHINE
(still haven't had the time to try this, but retro obviously - but older sounds are so prevelant in all genres now it's usefulness is pretty broad I'd expect)

UNDERCURRENT
This feels a bit mis-labelled, claiming to be "the darker side". Some are dark, but most patches I've tried thus far aren't at all, but they are utterly gorgeous. Very broad range of stuff here for electronica, soundtracks, pop, pop/rock, alt... almost anything really.
Ok thanks mate .
And just to update now I've played with it: UNCLEAN MACHINE is indeed pretty broad. Although it's retro and lofi-focused, the gimmicky noise effects can quickly be tamed or eliminated and it's still a great set of sounds and sources. As they mentioned in today's Q&A, hip hop uses a lot of these kinds of sounds. A lot of generically useful stuff in there.

Probably also worth highlighting that as the name implies, Seismic Shock is at the extreme end of everything. It's brutal, in a good way. Seth Norman created the legendary PluginGuru Toxic bank - I remember when that came out it was light years ahead of anything else (including the factory patches) for aggressive dance music stuff.
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KVRian
918 posts since 7 Dec, 2017

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:56 pm

dvnation wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:35 pm
JHernandez wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:07 pm
They all sound great. I like Unclean Machine the most. It's just more my thing. Still, It's so unique and pristine sounding that I can't see myself using it so far. Modern "lo-fi" I guess? Even the noises are so well record/sampled. At least from what I've heard so far. Too much talking and the guest music didn't do anything positive for me.

Guess I'll wait for more demos. Still curious.
https://youtu.be/PAWHTbrsZaM
Hey thanks! :tu: I'll check it out as soon as I get a chance.
-JH

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KVRAF
3593 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:59 pm

noiseboyuk wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:06 pm
LeVzi wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:09 pm
noiseboyuk wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:06 am
LeVzi wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:43 am
OK so which genres would you say each expansion suits the most ?
NYLON SKY
Not very genre-specific this. Anything that might use a nylon guitar. The patch variations are pretty broad, in the main it's all on the gentle side of things as you might expect.

SEISMIC SHOCK
Any form of dance music - EDM, Dubstep, Trap, the usual suspects. Also pop too.

UNCLEAN MACHINE
(still haven't had the time to try this, but retro obviously - but older sounds are so prevelant in all genres now it's usefulness is pretty broad I'd expect)

UNDERCURRENT
This feels a bit mis-labelled, claiming to be "the darker side". Some are dark, but most patches I've tried thus far aren't at all, but they are utterly gorgeous. Very broad range of stuff here for electronica, soundtracks, pop, pop/rock, alt... almost anything really.
Ok thanks mate .
And just to update now I've played with it: UNCLEAN MACHINE is indeed pretty broad. Although it's retro and lofi-focused, the gimmicky noise effects can quickly be tamed or eliminated and it's still a great set of sounds and sources. As they mentioned in today's Q&A, hip hop uses a lot of these kinds of sounds. A lot of generically useful stuff in there.

Probably also worth highlighting that as the name implies, Seismic Shock is at the extreme end of everything. It's brutal, in a good way. Seth Norman created the legendary PluginGuru Toxic bank - I remember when that came out it was light years ahead of anything else (including the factory patches) for aggressive dance music stuff.
yeah tbh Seismic shock is probably the only one right now i'd get. But at $149 is simply ridiculous pricing for an expansion with a few effects thrown in. And they've happily said "No Sales EVER" which really p!ssed me off. I am using Omnisphere a LOT now I have it, offers me something different, but they need to revisit their pricing on these extensions.
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KVRAF
3451 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:52 pm

LeVzi wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:59 pm
And they've happily said "No Sales EVER" which really p!ssed me off. I am using Omnisphere a LOT now I have it, offers me something different, but they need to revisit their pricing on these extensions.
That has been their policy for the last couple of decades, so you can't be surprised?

Which reminds me - people have said that the existence of a PROMO code suggests their comments are disingenuous. I could be wrong, but I think that box has always existed.

Yesterday they ran a contest and gave away all 4 expansions to one lucky winner. I expect he got a PROMO code. That, essentially, is what it will be for (not just this one guy I mean, but when they give away gratis copies for whatever reason).
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