Fender To Acquire PreSonus Electronics

[gaggle of hermits]

The way musicians and beatmakers work is too dissimilar.

you know this or just making an assumption because you don't really know what the differences are?

and who uses which features? a good many beatmakers seem to use only the arrangement in Ableton live, much like everyone else (go look at a mr bill video, for example). the only difference is that the live-oriented musician will record into an audio track more often. but are they isolated to the arrangement timeline or will they use the session. I know I record into session view as it's an easy way to try out arrangement ideas.

the one big difference is probably use of comping tracks - and even then I know of a couple of videos that show comping tracks being used in a 'beatmaker' flow for 'complextro' styles (basically assembling a bunch of sFX by grabbing from the different comps) in cubase and logic.

[EnochLight]

Like I said: many variables. Being raised with computers and smartphones around is just one of many.

Indeed, but as I said - the majority of kids these days are raised with smartphones and computers, and have easy (often "free") access to electronic music production, DAW, plugins, etc. The majority of kids these days do *NOT* own guitars (not without a lot of pestering their parents or saving for them themselves). It's simple numbers, man. Also, as mentioned earlier, the vast majority of pop music (read: the crap everyone buys or streams) is electronic music based.

I'm not making this up just give you a hard time - it's facts, man.

Full disclosure: I own 3 guitars and a bass.

[vurt]

i personally don't see how making a host more inviting to guitarists (if indeed this is planned?) would necessarily mean pushing away beat makers, im pretty sure both can co exist

Host with only acoustic drum loops (ideally in different measurements than 4/4) would scare many beat makers while guitarists could use it for their background tracks

a real beatmaker would sample the shit outta them!

[jens]

Technically you're right about this one - regardless of whether or not it's electronic based music or guitar, it takes hands to make it!

Now that is a freakishly absurd comment even going by your standards...

[jamcat]

i personally don't see how making a host more inviting to guitarists (if indeed this is planned?) would necessarily mean pushing away beat makers, im pretty sure both can co exist

No, I don’t think so.
The way musicians and beatmakers work is too dissimilar. There will always be other software that caters more to beatmakers, so that is what they’ll use. If PreSonus tries to seriously compete in that sphere, they would have to change the core functionality—and worse, the core philosophy—of Studio One. And then it would no longer be the DAW for musicians.

the fact that people use daws aimed at beatmaking, proves you wrong.
both (all ) music can be recorded and produced in either domain.

there are sequencers and all kinds, the beatmakers can load in any host.


its all just organising sound

So my point here is not that both types can’t be done in the same DAW, but that people will gravitate towards the tools that cater to their needs the most, so the DAWs that put 100% focus on one type are going to end up dominating the market for that type of music.

A DAW that tries to be a jack of all trades will be a master of none, and by trying to appeal to everyone, will end up appealing to no one.

[EnochLight]

Technically you're right about this one - regardless of whether or not it's electronic based music or guitar, it takes hands to make it!

Now that is a freakishly absurd comment even going by your standards...

You're suggesting music isn't made using human hands?!! What the hell planet do you live on??

[vurt]

Like I said: many variables. Being raised with computers and smartphones around is just one of many.

Indeed, but as I said - the majority of kids these days are raised with smartphones and computers, and have easy (often "free") access to electronic music production, DAW, plugins, etc. The majority of kids these days do *NOT* own guitars (not without a lot of pestering their parents or saving for them themselves). It's simple numbers, man. Also, as mentioned earlier, the vast majority of pop music (read: the crap everyone buys or streams) is electronic music based.

I'm not making this up just give you a hard time - it's facts, man.

Full disclosure: I own 3 guitars and a bass.

none of the markets are driven by kids, with no money.

so that's a red herring.
lots of old people making music too
not us though we're not old!

[pixel85]

Here's a sample of guitar sales in the last few years. If someone is really really curious, pdf with other instruments is only $55 https://www.musictrades.com/census.html

2020: 2,630,950 units

[vurt]

2020: 2,630,950 units

and he still needs just one more...

[pixel85]

The majority of kids these days do *NOT* own guitars (not without a lot of pestering their parents or saving for them themselves). It's simple numbers, man.

What numbers? Did you share here some research results before?

[EnochLight]

Host with only acoustic drum loops (ideally in different measurements than 4/4) would scare many beat makers while guitarists could use it for their background tracks

Do you even know what a beatmaker is? Also, you do realize that guitarists these days use percussion background tracks that aren't just an acoustic drum set playing a rock beat, right? Jesus - even the best selling country music these days is guitar over a hip hop/trap beat.

[jamcat]

none of the markets are driven by kids, with no money.

That’s Reaper’s market.

[EnochLight]

the majority of kids these days are raised with smartphones and computers, and have easy (often "free") access to electronic music production, DAW, plugins, etc. The majority of kids these days do *NOT* own guitars (not without a lot of pestering their parents or saving for them themselves). It's simple numbers, man.

What numbers? Did you share here some research results before?

Quoted in context, BTW.

https://www.google.com/search?q=How+man ... CA4&uact=5

https://www.google.com/search?q=How+man ... CA4&uact=5

https://www.google.com/search?q=How+man ... e&ie=UTF-8

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... ic-guitar/

https://blog.reverbnation.com/2018/02/0 ... opularity/

[jancivil]

"It's simple numbers, man." that we do not have here. Statistics can be skewed to make whatever argument one wants, anyway.
"the kids these days" looks like someone who is not one of these kids talking. It looks like assumption that access to smart phones "and computers" means EDM pop is all a generation is exposed to, while the younger people I have any awareness of *are interested* and explore music of a time before them.

The prevalence of young cats doing Reaction Videos, to eg., Close to the Edge, Inca Roads and all this on Youtube (let alone the music theory stuff, or say Jacob Collier) tells a very different story. So here is a story about 'kids today' like they're a single unit reducible to really a stereotype. I don't know what the point of it is, I can guess 'Fender and teh EDM kiddies don't mix, bad idea'.

[pixel85]

i personally don't see how making a host more inviting to guitarists (if indeed this is planned?) would necessarily mean pushing away beat makers, im pretty sure both can co exist

Host with only acoustic drum loops (ideally in different measurements than 4/4) would scare many beat makers while guitarists could use it for their background tracks

a real beatmaker would sample the shit outta them!

I thought that we're talking about that kind of beat makers (aka producers) who somehow are unable to make music the same way like... musicians.

Otherwise, I have no more stupid ideas for DAW that is somehow made for only one group