Should I try Logic pro as an alternative to Studio one 5?

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Yes. Like all software (except TeX) everyone is going to have a different experience. Many love Logic and have no issues even if they use 3rd party plugins. For me, its a no-go. It works but its unstable and and process hog. Reaper is far more streamined and reliable on my system. I started with Reaper on macPOS 10.13 and through migrating to 10.14. 2010 mac pro. Logic was the same unreliable heap of ____ on both OSes for me anyway. I can't recommend Logic.

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The Logic browser is complete dog shit. Also the workflow is a lot slower compared to Ableton especially when it comes to doing drums or working with samples. I still like it though

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roman.i wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:53 pm I'm going to use the DAW only for mixing and arrangement
For mixing they are fairly similar. For arrangement Logic gives you Ableton Live style clip launching, while Studio One gives you the ability to record MIDI FX output to MIDI clips.

Really depends on what you’re looking for. Check out the feature list for both, there will probably be a feature or two which causes you to lean towards one over the other.
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plexuss wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:05 am Reaper is far more streamined and reliable on my system. I started with Reaper on macPOS 10.13 and through migrating to 10.14. 2010 mac pro. Logic was the same unreliable heap of ____ on both OSes for me anyway. I can't recommend Logic.
Isn't Reaper all that on any system and versus every other DAW, so pretty much moot point, change Logic to any other DAW and you can use same sentence in every DAW thread, Reaper will always be more stable, performant and whatnot.

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Passing Bye wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:24 am
plexuss wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:05 am Reaper is far more streamined and reliable on my system. I started with Reaper on macPOS 10.13 and through migrating to 10.14. 2010 mac pro. Logic was the same unreliable heap of ____ on both OSes for me anyway. I can't recommend Logic.
Isn't Reaper all that on any system and versus every other DAW, so pretty much moot point, change Logic to any other DAW and you can use same sentence in every DAW thread, Reaper will always be more stable, performant and whatnot.
Well... the truth is, IT IS. It may not be the most friendly DAW, nor the most direct and easy to use, but in what concerns tolerance with third party plug-ins, performance, robustness, lightness and working speed it remains unmatched, IMO.
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fmr wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:29 am
Passing Bye wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:24 am
plexuss wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:05 am Reaper is far more streamined and reliable on my system. I started with Reaper on macPOS 10.13 and through migrating to 10.14. 2010 mac pro. Logic was the same unreliable heap of ____ on both OSes for me anyway. I can't recommend Logic.
Isn't Reaper all that on any system and versus every other DAW, so pretty much moot point, change Logic to any other DAW and you can use same sentence in every DAW thread, Reaper will always be more stable, performant and whatnot.
Well... the truth is, IT IS. It may not be the most friendly DAW, nor the most direct and easy to use, but in what concerns tolerance with third party plug-ins, performance, robustness, lightness and working speed it remains unmatched, IMO.
Exactly, it's his forte pretty much and every other DAW could appear as POS comparing to it, so whole notion that one DAW is POS because of Reaper, isn't really that surprising or actually holding much merits, every DAW if POS compared to Reaper if one looks at those qualities in DAW, but if you compare any other DAW to any other DAW, playing field get little different, in case of Studio One vs Logic, you couldn't really decide that easily which DAW is bigger POS, difference isn't that big.

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Should it even surprise me anymore, after all these years here, that we discuss Reaper again, in a thread which asked if Logic Pro is a valid alternative to Studio One?

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Yeah, think KVR should at least have confirmation dialog when opening new thread in Host's forum, asking "Did you tired Reaper?" and second one "Do you want to discuss Reaper in this thread?" and that info should be there in every OP, "this user tried Reaper and doesn't want to talk about it" or any other combination of answers.

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sprnva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:54 pm I thought there was a list of links somewhere online for the different LPX trials. I guess I was wrong. There is for FCPX.

Anyhoo, I think this is the link for the LPX 10.6.3 trial which is still Catalina-friendly.
Doesn't work for me :(

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Fortunately, I found Logic pro in the trash, restarted the trial and evaluating it right now :)

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Two more personal Studio One vs Logic observations for Mac users. YMMV but if you're doing the Logic 90 day trial maybe they help.

- An empty instance of Komplete Kontrol AU loads up very quickly in Logic. The same plugin takes many times longer to load in Studio One.

- Initial Audio plugins (and a few others I can't recall) cause a big GUI lag for ~3 seconds whenever you open their windows in Studio One. This is not the case in Logic. This could be limited to certain GPUs that ship with Macs.

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Passing Bye wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:36 pm They finally fixed that in 10.6.3, now latency is properly compensated, which still isn't the case with majority of others DAW out there, except Reaper, Pro Tools and DP.
I checked in with him: he's running Logc 10.7.1 and is still experiencing the latency issues with Soothe2. He's reached out to oeksound who say it's an Apple/AU/Logic issue. This is what I am saying: Sure, go with Logic but it's a huge risk because you may end up like me or him with issues that are not resolvable.

I wouldn't touch Logic with a 88-note pole, so no, I can't recommend it. I don't know about Studio One 5 unfortunately. Do your audit and decide. You might be ok with Logic, like a lot of people are, or you might end up regretting it - it's a crap shoot. If there seems to be less risk with Studio One 5, then go for it!

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plexuss wrote: Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:08 pm
Passing Bye wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:36 pm They finally fixed that in 10.6.3, now latency is properly compensated, which still isn't the case with majority of others DAW out there, except Reaper, Pro Tools and DP.
I checked in with him: he's running Logc 10.7.1 and is still experiencing the latency issues with Soothe2. He's reached out to oeksound who say it's an Apple/AU/Logic issue. This is what I am saying: Sure, go with Logic but it's a huge risk because you may end up like me or him with issues that are not resolvable.
Sounds like a blame game, they blame AU's for that, but UAD/iZotope/bunch of other developers that have latent plugins can make it work...

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When it comes to latency compensation and their low latency mode, there was a lot fixed by Logic 10.6.3, but whether someone considers it "broken" or not (just like how some people considered the sidechain PDC in Studio One 5 to be "broken" before they disabled it) will depend on their routing and what they are trying to do.

If someone is demoing Logic- just test it and see if it works for you. I was worried about it in 10.6.3 at first and then followed other posters' steps to see what was causing their remaining errors and decided it wasn't a big deal. For example, I use soothe all the time but I don't sidechain into it so the issues between soothe and Logic's sidechain implementation don't affect me.
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