reFX Vanguard 2?

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sacer
KVRian
856 posts since 8 Jan, 2012 from frankfurt, Germany

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:46 am

Markus Krause wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:25 am
The audio engines of JunoX and Vanguard were developed by me. ReFX licensed them.
If you are looking for the sound of JunoX or Vanguard I receommend that you check our Tone2 Icarus2. It can replace those plugins very well and includes also all the waveforms.
A preset converter would be nice

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syntonica
KVRian
1231 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:50 am

I love Vanguard. For its time, 20-ish years ago, it sounded amazing! There are things I still like about it. Except that awful reverb. ( Sorry, Markus... The algorithm is just old and too CPU-cheap. :hug:)

Since it came out, computers are multitudes faster. A single core on the M1 chip is faster than my whole MacBookb Pro. Heck, my new iPad Mini is like 2.5x faster than the MBP. Back then, programming a VST was more about using cheap algorithms and stupid processor tricks to squeeze every ounce of performances from weak CPUs. Now, you can download a dozen free VSTs that offer similar quality sound and features and just sip CPU.

The only thing that I can see that it has anymore that modern VSTs may lack is the simplicity of use. Everything is right there in front of my face. The reFX plugins were so quick, simple and fun to use. They just aren't necessarily the best sounding anymore.

Anyway, I will miss my old reFX plugins, but I have similar or better sounding plugins now.

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Markus Krause
KVRian
1143 posts since 2 Jul, 2018

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:02 am

:lol:
I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it. :pray:
Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael. :hihi:

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.
Tone2 Audiosoftware https://www.tone2.com

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cryophonik
KVRAF
7576 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:05 am

Markus Krause wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:02 am
If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.
OK, I demand it. :D

chk071
KVRAF
30618 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:10 am

Markus Krause wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:02 am
If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.
Will it be sound compatible too? :o

I never owned Vanguard, but, I'm a bit wondering what people are looking for here. A synth which sounds like it? A modern synth which can load the patches, but will sound quite different?
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

AnX
KVRAF
10363 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:27 am

Definitely vapourware, no money in it for refx

Letting users make their own sounds? No way Pedro!

sacer
KVRian
856 posts since 8 Jan, 2012 from frankfurt, Germany

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:37 am

Markus Krause wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:02 am
:lol:
I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it. :pray:
Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael. :hihi:

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.
A preset converter would be bether, because than we can tune up these sounds in Icarus :)

Caine123
KVRAF
6764 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:03 am

Markus Krause wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:02 am
:lol:
I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it. :pray:
Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael. :hihi:

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.
demand here too :D :tu:
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elv
KVRian
1087 posts since 28 Mar, 2002 from Iceland

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:37 am

Yes please Markus :hyper: :hail:
Simple and repetive are my middle names

Leichenschmaus
KVRist
263 posts since 1 Oct, 2014

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:40 am

yes please!!!

dj.anti.matter
KVRer
27 posts since 26 Dec, 2006

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:12 am

JonSolo wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:27 pm
So they told that to you twice? (a year ago, and then in July)

What name is on the support ticket? This is interesting (cause I love Vanguard).
The guy's name was Adam.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cuNhSE ... sp=sharing

dj.anti.matter
KVRer
27 posts since 26 Dec, 2006

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:15 am

Markus Krause wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:02 am
:lol:
I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it. :pray:
Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael. :hihi:

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.
I would buy it in a second! I have over 200 patches I made in Vanguard I would love to be able to use again.

HunterKiller
KVRAF
2149 posts since 10 Mar, 2006

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:57 am

sacer wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:37 am
Markus Krause wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:02 am
:lol:
I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it. :pray:
Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael. :hihi:

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.
A preset converter would be better, because than we can tune up these sounds in Icarus :)
+7 for this idea
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ztrauq
KVRist
328 posts since 13 Dec, 2004 from USA

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:20 am

dj.anti.matter wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:15 am
Markus Krause wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:02 am
:lol:
I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it. :pray:
Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael. :hihi:

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.
I would buy it in a second! I have over 200 patches I made in Vanguard I would love to be able to use again.
Definitely echo this, I have banks of custom Vanguard patches just waiting to be used again :)

Preset converter for Icarus would be awesome too...

sacer
KVRian
856 posts since 8 Jan, 2012 from frankfurt, Germany

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:37 am

I think a preset converter and some modifications on Icarus are bether than a new synth. I bet a lot of vanguard users who have lots of expansions would migrate to Icarus and can bring this sounds with this power synth into new dimensions. Btw the import of Juno presets would also be very cool.

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