Best ISP Limiters?

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plexuss
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Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:07 pm

heavymetalmixer wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:38 pm
Loudmax 1.27 was released a few days ago, anyone that could tell me how much the ISP part improved?

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/loudma ... omas-mundt
I just tested 1.27 for you. Mac AU. With ISP engaged it now appears to mitigate ISPs and doesn't throw warnings with AppleRoundTrip. I pushed a mix to 8 LUFS and it only warned ISPs on a 128k stream, but only mildly. :phones:

heavymetalmixer
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Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:56 pm

plexuss wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:07 pm
heavymetalmixer wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:38 pm
Loudmax 1.27 was released a few days ago, anyone that could tell me how much the ISP part improved?

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/loudma ... omas-mundt
I just tested 1.27 for you. Mac AU. With ISP engaged it now appears to mitigate ISPs and doesn't throw warnings with AppleRoundTrip. I pushed a mix to 8 LUFS and it only warned ISPs on a 128k stream, but only mildly. :phones:
Thanks, what about the sound in your opinion?

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plexuss
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Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:45 pm

heavymetalmixer wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:56 pm
Thanks, what about the sound in your opinion?
You decide... Here are two downloadable tracks. One is limited with DMG Limitless ($200) with a flat response, the other is LoudMax ($0). Both set to -12 LUFS. What do you think? :phones:

https://soundcloud.com/musicofplexus/li ... ax/s-4ajSo



https://soundcloud.com/musicofplexus/li ... ss/s-xlduR



https://soundcloud.com/musicofplexus/li ... st/s-lzqTl

heavymetalmixer
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Post Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:24 pm

plexuss wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:45 pm
heavymetalmixer wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:56 pm
Thanks, what about the sound in your opinion?
You decide... Here are two downloadable tracks. One is limited with DMG Limitless ($200) with a flat response, the other is LoudMax ($0). Both set to -12 LUFS. What do you think? :phones:

https://soundcloud.com/musicofplexus/li ... ax/s-4ajSo



https://soundcloud.com/musicofplexus/li ... ss/s-xlduR



https://soundcloud.com/musicofplexus/li ... st/s-lzqTl
In general I like Limitless more, it has more impact, but it sounds more narrow and nasal for some reason.

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dionenoid
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1076 posts since 3 Jan, 2019 from Holland

Post Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:43 am

heavymetalmixer wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:56 pm
Thanks, what about the sound in your opinion?
Loudmax is pretty good for a free plug-in, but it shows high frequency distortion and aliasing when pushed.
More BPM please

michal.ochedowski
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97 posts since 31 Dec, 2018

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:05 am

dionenoid wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:43 am
heavymetalmixer wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:56 pm
Thanks, what about the sound in your opinion?
Loudmax is pretty good for a free plug-in, but it shows high frequency distortion and aliasing when pushed.

I think that LoudMax has been significantly improved. I've just checked it with 6 dB of reduction on a sine wave sweeping between 1 kHz and 22 kHz. There was no aliasing. Personally I would require maximum of 3 dB reduction from a limiter on final mixdown anyway, so this is still a great alternative to paid products.

heavymetalmixer
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Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:18 am

michal.ochedowski wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:05 am
dionenoid wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:43 am
heavymetalmixer wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:56 pm
Thanks, what about the sound in your opinion?
Loudmax is pretty good for a free plug-in, but it shows high frequency distortion and aliasing when pushed.

I think that LoudMax has been significantly improved. I've just checked it with 6 dB of reduction on a sine wave sweeping between 1 kHz and 22 kHz. There was no aliasing. Personally I would require maximum of 3 dB reduction from a limiter on final mixdown anyway, so this is still a great alternative to paid products.
Since the latest version (1.40) Loudmax became the best free limiter IMO. Note that it's with the ISP button OFF, 'cause once I turn it ON the sound always becomes worse (I'm starting to think that true peak limiting in all limiters sounds worse anyway).

michal.ochedowski
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Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:50 am

heavymetalmixer wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:18 am
Since the latest version (1.40) Loudmax became the best free limiter IMO. Note that it's with the ISP button OFF, 'cause once I turn it ON the sound always becomes worse (I'm starting to think that true peak limiting in all limiters sounds worse anyway).
I trusted LoudMax without any comparison between two modes. I figured that it wouldn't hurt, so I switched it on. Now I will definitely check it without ISP. Thanks.

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plexuss
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Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:17 am

heavymetalmixer wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:18 am
Since the latest version (1.40) Loudmax became the best free limiter IMO. Note that it's with the ISP button OFF, 'cause once I turn it ON the sound always becomes worse (I'm starting to think that true peak limiting in all limiters sounds worse anyway).
So hard clipping sounds better to you?

simon.a.billington
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Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:22 am

Aloysius wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:08 am
Waves Audio - WLM Plus Loudness Meter
I have a couple, IK Stealth, bx_limiter, but oddly this is the one that gets used alot be me and the reason is pretty simple...

I already have it on my master working to inform me of the loudness levels, so its already there. Since it's there I can use pretty much any other limiter as the main one in the mix and just tun on the WLM+ option to just catch the overs. It's pretty useful that way.
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michal.ochedowski
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97 posts since 31 Dec, 2018

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:41 am

plexuss wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:17 am
heavymetalmixer wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:18 am
Since the latest version (1.40) Loudmax became the best free limiter IMO. Note that it's with the ISP button OFF, 'cause once I turn it ON the sound always becomes worse (I'm starting to think that true peak limiting in all limiters sounds worse anyway).
So hard clipping sounds better to you?
LoudMax with ISP off doesn't have to hard clip. Of course it all depends on material and amount of limiting. I've just tested it on a drum loop with 4 dB of reduction and didn't see any chopped off peaks.

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Hermetech Mastering
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1588 posts since 30 May, 2003 from Milan, Italy

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:24 am

Still Limitless here, 99% of the time. 0.5% Elephant, 0.5% Xenon.

Ploki
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5208 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:54 am

michal.ochedowski wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:41 am

LoudMax with ISP off doesn't have to hard clip. Of course it all depends on material and amount of limiting. I've just tested it on a drum loop with 4 dB of reduction and didn't see any chopped off peaks.
have you checked with a true-peak meter tho
plexuss wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:17 am

So hard clipping sounds better to you?
i mean, i always hard clip (oversampled) pre-limiter
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michal.ochedowski
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97 posts since 31 Dec, 2018

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:04 pm

Ploki wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:54 am
michal.ochedowski wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:41 am

LoudMax with ISP off doesn't have to hard clip. Of course it all depends on material and amount of limiting. I've just tested it on a drum loop with 4 dB of reduction and didn't see any chopped off peaks.
have you checked with a true-peak meter tho
Yes, I always do that. It makes no sense to me, to use a meter that doesn't show where those nasty peaks are hiding. Truth be told, I have LoudMax's Thresh and Out set at -1.1 to achieve a True Peak readout of -1 dBTP. I just accepted it as a fact. I've seen some paid limiters having similar issues.

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plexuss
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4716 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:09 pm

We all love our saturators and clippers. But, try something... try a mix with no saturation or clipping tools. Clean analogue emulations are ok but avoid any heavily harmonically distorted tools. Or open an existing mix and turn off all the saturation and clipping and tweek the mix. See what it sounds like and A/B with the last mix you approved with all those tools engaged. Just try it. You might find it interesting.

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