Windows instead of Mac for near future ?

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KVRian

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574 posts since 24 Apr, 2008 from USA

Post Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:34 pm

So I got MacBook Pro with M1 Max. Most of the plugins installed ok. Really miss Battery 4 tho, that it can’t get installed on Monterey.
Running everything thru Rosetta.
Logic crashes a lot and can’t run lots of plugins,
but Cubase 10.5 runs fine, not a single crash and detects all installed plugins.
But haven’t don’t anything heavy yet, only tests and running older projects that I transferred.
win10 x64. cubase 10 x64.
gigabyte z390 gaming x, i7-8700k, 32GB,
2x 2TB m.2 nvme SSD, 1x 2TB sata ssd.

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Tronam
KVRAF
1926 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:51 pm

Run Logic itself in Rosetta mode and it should stabilize. That way all the plugins don’t need to be individually bridged. It resolved my stability issues.

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434 posts since 5 Feb, 2012

Post Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:37 am

Tronam wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:51 pm
Run Logic itself in Rosetta mode and it should stabilize. That way all the plugins don’t need to be individually bridged. It resolved my stability issues.
No offense, but that's just insane. For musicians, one of the biggest reasons to get a Mac with one of the new M1 Pro or Max chips is significantly improved Logic performance. But if most of your plugins are not M1-compatible and you have to run Logic via Rosetta to keep it from crashing, then what's the point? You're better off getting a current-gen Intel iMac and using that for the next 3 to 7 years until things finally shake out.
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KVRAF
1926 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:53 am

Rosetta 2 is often misunderstood. Logic in Rosetta mode is still a native binary. The performance is excellent, and still runs faster than my Intel Mac.

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tehlord
KVRAF
8078 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK

Post Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:55 am

Gadget Fiend wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:37 am

You're better off getting a current-gen Intel iMac and using that for the next 3 to 7 years until things finally shake out.
So you're better off getting an obsolete, more expensive model with inferior performance so you can run the one or two plugins that aren't yet native, but will be in 3-7 MONTHS and run under (the excellent) Rosetta anyway?

Ok. Right. Sure. :hihi:

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Post Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:15 am

tehlord wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:55 am
Gadget Fiend wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:37 am

You're better off getting a current-gen Intel iMac and using that for the next 3 to 7 years until things finally shake out.
So you're better off getting an obsolete, more expensive model with inferior performance so you can run the one or two plugins that aren't yet native, but will be in 3-7 MONTHS and run under (the excellent) Rosetta anyway?
As far as I know, the current 10-core i9 iMac will give the M1 Max a run for its money in audio performance. (Video performance is another matter.) Plus you get an absolutely gorgeous 27" 5K display on the iMac for the same price as a similarly spec'd 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro.
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KVRian
635 posts since 18 Feb, 2004

Post Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:42 am

Gadget Fiend wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:15 am
tehlord wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:55 am
Gadget Fiend wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:37 am

You're better off getting a current-gen Intel iMac and using that for the next 3 to 7 years until things finally shake out.
So you're better off getting an obsolete, more expensive model with inferior performance so you can run the one or two plugins that aren't yet native, but will be in 3-7 MONTHS and run under (the excellent) Rosetta anyway?
As far as I know, the current 10-core i9 iMac will give the M1 Max a run for its money in audio performance. (Video performance is another matter.) Plus you get an absolutely gorgeous 27" 5K display on the iMac for the same price as a similarly spec'd 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro.
This. This is why I just bought a new 24” iMac with an M1 for everyday use and am keeping my i9 5k iMac specifically for music use until all of this shakes out a bit more.

mcm01
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11 posts since 23 Nov, 2021

Post Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:49 pm

I run RME...so Windows is king with the RME drivers. New i5 PC on the way to keep my babyface Pro FS happy.

wuworld
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193 posts since 7 Nov, 2009 from DC

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:26 pm

mcm01 wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:49 pm
I run RME...so Windows is king with the RME drivers. New i5 PC on the way to keep my babyface Pro FS happy.
Do you like your rme babyface pro fs? Just got mine. Never bought anything from rme before. Would the ucfx II have been a better buy?

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11 posts since 23 Nov, 2021

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:18 pm

wuworld wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:26 pm
mcm01 wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:49 pm
I run RME...so Windows is king with the RME drivers. New i5 PC on the way to keep my babyface Pro FS happy.
Do you like your rme babyface pro fs? Just got mine. Never bought anything from rme before. Would the ucfx II have been a better buy?
The ucfx II is a step up from Babyface. That said, the babyface pro fs has alot in common under the hood. I think fidelity wise, there is not much difference, but the ucfx II is more flexible, as you probably know, with more inputs and outputs. I run guitars in my home studio, so the babyface is all I need. I also have the original babyface and it's still well supported by RME with current updates. it also still performes stellar! To be honest, i'm not sure the Pro FS is getting me much more for what I do!...but the spec numbers are impressive!

sQeetz
KVRian
704 posts since 8 Jan, 2005

Post Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:16 pm

BONES wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:33 pm
The tZenbook Duo I have now
One man's treasure is another one's garbage. That cheap plastic POS is to me exactly what it looks like.
Let's put one more screen in there? Where? Where the keyboard should be.But.... DO IT!
It's such a f'g cheap design. Is that a touchpad next to the bottom keyboard? Where the numpad should be on a regular keyboard? I'm gonna through up right on it...
I can’t imagine that hulk of a device being any kind of portable or usable
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MacBook Pro M1 . 16GB . 1TB . . Logic Pro……Renoise……Reason

sQeetz
KVRian
704 posts since 8 Jan, 2005

Post Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:24 pm

Edit
MacBook Pro M1 . 16GB . 1TB . . Logic Pro……Renoise……Reason

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12783 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:44 pm

sQeetz wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:16 pm
That cheap plastic POS is to me exactly what it looks like.
Except it's not plastic, which is why I got it so cheap. The idiot I bought it from had drop his iPhone on it and dented the aluminium lid, something that wouldn't have happened if it was plastic, so nobody else bid on it. It's also an excellent illustration of why I will choose a plastic laptop or phone over a metal one every time.
Let's put one more screen in there? Where? Where the keyboard should be.But.... DO IT!
Again, except that putting the keyboard closer to the operator makes it a simple matter to place your MIDI controller in front of it, as you can see in the photo, without having to stretch my arms out to type. It's probably by accident but it's actually the best thing about the design, better even than the second screen.
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It's such a f'g cheap design. Is that a touchpad next to the bottom keyboard? Where the numpad should be on a regular keyboard?
Cheap ain't the word, it was the equivalent of US$850 or so. That's an absolute f**king steal for a 10th Gen Core i7, 16GB RAM and a 1TB NVMe SSD. On the more expensive models, the trackpad can also be the num pad but I'd be much, much happier fi there was no trackpad at all. I always keep them turned off, although with the current version of Win10 you can set it so it is only active if no other pointing device is attached, which could be kind of useful, I suppose.
I can’t imagine that hulk of a device being any kind of portable or usable
At 1.5kg it is 110g lighter than a 14" MacBook Pro, hardly a "hulk". You need to get your facts straight before you start writing stuff like this if you want to be taken seriously. It's not hard, it took me a whole 90 seconds to find out the weight of my machine and a MB Pro.
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KVRAF
30718 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:53 pm

Having the piano roll on that extra screen is really neat!
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

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12783 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:23 pm

Yeah, I honestly don't think I could go back to a "normal" laptop arrangement, it has turned out to be so much better than I thought it would be. Fortunately, Asus seem committed to the form factor, they are making noises about the 3rd gen and there are three different model lines for the current gen - the base model like mine, one for "creative professionals" and a slightly tweaked version of that for gamers. The other two are more expensive than a MacBook Pro, though, so you have to pay for the power.
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