Whats in the future of Grid?

[pdxindy]

there is a difference between knowing your instrument and building your instrument.
I have never seen a musician (rockstar, semi pro, hobbist) ,build his guitar or piano from scratch !

If you stick to basic known modules like Osc's, filters, envelopes, etc., then the Grid is no more difficult than learning regular VST synths.

Building a piano from scratch would be like coding a plugin in C++. Making patches in the Grid is more akin to changing the strings on your guitar.

[dupont]

Nah, that's more complicated. I could even not make a simple arpegiator inside of grid without watching a tutorial on youtube !

11 mn to explain how to build a simple sequencer !!!

[pdxindy]

Nah, that's more complicated. I could even not make a simple arpegiator inside of grid without watching a tutorial on youtube !

11 mn to explain how to build a simple sequencer !!!

Yes, an Arpeggiator is complicated in the Grid. So don't make an arpeggiator. Plus, Bitwig already has an excellent Arpeggiator device as good as any 3rd party Arp plugin.

I never managed to make a single thing in Reaktor or M4L and I wouldn't know how to make a well featured arpeggiator in the Grid either and I don't even try. I focus on what is easy in the Grid.

The beauty of the Grid is it has a low bar and you do not have to be a coder to do basic simple stuff. Used as a simple synth, I find the Grid basically as fast as VST synths. And the Grid is as good an MPE synth as any out there.

[perpetual3]

License Softube algorithms (in my dreams).

[xbitz]

Nah, that's more complicated. I could even not make a simple arpegiator inside of grid without watching a tutorial on youtube !

11 mn to explain how to build a simple sequencer !!!

just for you custom note triggered sequencer with quantized starting point and with custom running length and cycle numbers



and retrigging and BPM independent (just created have had to press f1 for a couple of times I'm also not a grid expert)

[dupont]

thanks @xbitz

[dupont]

After a couple of hours trying to cope with the grid, a good headache, I finally concluded this is not my kind of think.
Searching for the right module hidden in the several menus, understanding the purpose of each module, what a mess and not interesting task for me as a musician !
Sorry but for me this will stay the drak side of bitwig and I will not miss it !
Parhaps for those who like to play with cables and have time to lost ...

[docbot]

After a couple of hours trying to cope with the grid, a good headache, I finally concluded this is not my kind of think.
Searching for the right module hidden in the several menus, understanding the purpose of each module, what a mess and not interesting task for me as a musician !
Sorry but for me this will stay the drak side of bitwig and I will not miss it !
Parhaps for those who like to play with cables and have time to lost ...

I have similiar thoughts. For me the Grid would be more useful, if it would become more like Patcher in FL. I'd rather use it to layer VSTs and Effects apply rule based routing to incoming notes and midi effects.

I know you can build complex things with the Grid, but why bother tbh?

[mholloway]

I know you can build complex things with the Grid, but why bother tbh?

Not everybody is as creatively unmotivated as you are, that's why.

For many artists, the opportunity to build their own tools is inspiring, exciting, and leads to great productivity and new ideas.

[anoise]

Sorry but for me this will stay the drak side of bitwig and I will not miss it !
Parhaps for those who like to play with cables and have time to lost ...

Same. I never opened it again after I checked it out at the initial release. This is for those people who like to tinker around and build their own (subpar) instruments and effects. The preset packs for it didn't convince me, either. Waste of time.

[mholloway]

Same. I never opened it again after I checked it out at the initial release. This is for those people who like to tinker around and build their own (subpar) instruments and effects. The preset packs for it didn't convince me, either. Waste of time.

It's rather entertaining how the dudes in here who don't use the grid also feel it's very important to assert nobody else is actually using it for any good, either.

"I personally can't do anything cool with this, therefore nobody can."

You tried it ONCE, didn't learn any of it, then never tried it again, yet somehow you can assert publicly what it's "for" and who is using it and how well they are using it......

Cool story!

[anoise]

It's rather entertaining how the dudes in here who don't use the grid also feel it's very important to assert nobody else is actually using it for any good, either.

"I personally can't do anything cool with this, therefore nobody can."

You tried it ONCE, didn't learn any of it, then never tried it again, yet somehow you can assert publicly what it's "for" and who is using it and how well they are using it......

Cool story!

It's just my opinion at this time. Maybe it will change in the future. I did not talk about anybody else, but me.

[docbot]

I actually like to tinker, but for that it's too basic. It would need to allow me to save and import clusters, so I can patch together subsystems /functions that I've build, which again would be a sort of grid for grid/vsts/etc.

another thing I really don't like is that you can't drag cables from the modulators / lfo but have to use the regular way to assign modulation. Kinda conflicting design philosophy imo. But whatever, Grid is great of course if you like that sort of stuff!

[mholloway]

I did not talk about anybody else, but me.

Uhh, do you read your own posts?

This is for those people who like to tinker around and build their own (subpar) instruments and effects.

[xbitz]

After a couple of hours trying to cope with the grid, a good headache, I finally concluded this is not my kind of think.
Searching for the right module hidden in the several menus, understanding the purpose of each module, what a mess and not interesting task for me as a musician !
Sorry but for me this will stay the drak side of bitwig and I will not miss it !
Parhaps for those who like to play with cables and have time to lost ...

I have similiar thoughts. For me the Grid would be more useful, if it would become more like Patcher in FL. I'd rather use it to layer VSTs and Effects apply rule based routing to incoming notes and midi effects.

I know you can build complex things with the Grid, but why bother tbh?

it has its own sampler cmon

kind of magic alone