Ah, is that what it is... not a very clear UI design, I think. Having a clear start / loop / end mark on the wave display (getting highlighted if the input field was selected), with the sample position displayed either as a marker id or sample ("!marker name" to differentiate) would be much more useable, I think.RichardSemper wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:46 pmIn m9 the behaviour is the same. The hover text shows the value, as does the edit box. The sample position display in the main ui shows a vertical line which denotes the position in the file rather than a numeric value. This line moves left or right according to the value chosen.
MuLab 9.0.59 App + Plugin
- KVRAF
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- 8449 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
So a lot of times, I will leave the beta open overnight or when I go to work. I always turn off the
HW mixer or mute the I/O or something. Typically when I go back to the beta, it has stopped working.
The level meter on the default track, which I don't really use will be stuck at the max level. I have to
delete the track, stop the audio engine or restart to get it working again.
I do the same thing with other DAWs, such as FL Studio, Live, Studio One, Reaper etc. None of them
exhibit the same problem. This is a fairly recent clean installation of win 10 Pro with only about
70 vst plugins installed, Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, latest everything etc...
HW mixer or mute the I/O or something. Typically when I go back to the beta, it has stopped working.
The level meter on the default track, which I don't really use will be stuck at the max level. I have to
delete the track, stop the audio engine or restart to get it working again.
I do the same thing with other DAWs, such as FL Studio, Live, Studio One, Reaper etc. None of them
exhibit the same problem. This is a fairly recent clean installation of win 10 Pro with only about
70 vst plugins installed, Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, latest everything etc...
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Please elaborate on that sentence between the brackets.RichardSemper wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:09 pm Despite using it for several hours each day, and trying many things I really have no issues to report so far, (other than perhaps the number of modules I needed to update from earlier projects to work in m9).
Is there an M9 issue?
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Is that using M9.0.10?pekbro wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:50 pm So a lot of times, I will leave the beta open overnight or when I go to work. I always turn off the
HW mixer or mute the I/O or something. Typically when I go back to the beta, it has stopped working.
The level meter on the default track, which I don't really use will be stuck at the max level. I have to
delete the track, stop the audio engine or restart to get it working again.
Do you also use MUX effects or synths?
Was there a composer playing?
Last week i have been hunting and fixing a couple of difficult bugs that could have been the cause.
So please make sure to repeat that test with the next M9.0.11. (available soonish)
- KVRAF
- 8449 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
Yes M9.0.10mutools wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:45 pm
Is that using M9.0.10?
Do you also use MUX effects or synths?
Was there a composer playing?
No MUX, no synth,
Nothing playing...
Will do thanks...mutools wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:45 pm
Last week i have been hunting and fixing a couple of difficult bugs that could have been the cause.
So please make sure to repeat that test with the next M9.0.11. (available soonish)
- KVRian
- 1125 posts since 30 Oct, 2013 from Scarborough
I refer to the fact that m9 will not load project files, mux presets, multisample files and muclips, which were saved before about february 2019. Fixed easily by loading them into latest mulab 8, upgrading and re-saving them. It seems I had quite a lot of these so it took some time to go through the process.mutools wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:40 pm (the number of modules I needed to update from earlier projects to work in m9)
Please elaborate
Not complaining at all, this kind of thing is to be expected with major upgrades sometimes. However, it is worth noting that the same issue applies to a lot of the mulib collection also.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 13853 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
Please note that there are helper tools to do this in bulk:RichardSemper wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:51 pm I refer to the fact that m9 will not load project files, mux presets, multisample files and muclips, which were saved before about february 2019. Fixed easily by loading them into latest mulab 8, upgrading and re-saving them. It seems I had quite a lot of these so it took some time to go through the process.
Not complaining at all, this kind of thing is to be expected with major upgrades sometimes. However, it is worth noting that the same issue applies to a lot of the mulib collection also.
MuLab menu -> Tools -> Show File Versions + Upgrade Projects / Presets.
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- 1125 posts since 30 Oct, 2013 from Scarborough
A very useful option which I also used. I had not realised that it also updates subfolders.mutools wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:03 am Please note that there are helper tools to do this in bulk:
MuLab menu -> Tools -> Show File Versions + Upgrade Projects / Presets.
https://rjsemper.wixsite.com/website
One Synth Challenge - https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/about
One Synth Challenge - https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/about
- KVRAF
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- 13853 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
Sorry it took more time than expected to reply in depth on this, due to some difficult bugs last week.shorty wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:32 am I'm trying to send midi data to an external synth. In version 8 it works
(https://www.mutools.com/info/M8/docs/mu ... utput.html), but in the beta I can't drop the project event output on a track.
Did something change with using external gear in version 9? How do I make the connections to external gear?
Ok, so how to send events to external MIDI in M9:
1) Send the events in to a composer event output.
2) In the project modular area: Insert a "Project Event Output" and connect that composer event out to this Project Event Out.
So admitted this is an extra step compared to M8 and that's because the composer now is a module. But i think the advantages of the composer being a module are much greater than eg this little extra connection to send composer events to MIDI output.
If you have any additional questions/suggestions about this, let me know.
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- 7411 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
If I've got defined hardware MIDI Outs it would probably make sense for the project-level modular area having an Event Out for each hardware out, plus the composer Event Out defaulting to being wired to all of them, maybe?
Anything more complex then is a matter of adjusting the layout that's visible, rather than having to work it out from scratch.
Anything more complex then is a matter of adjusting the layout that's visible, rather than having to work it out from scratch.
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MuLab indeed automatically creates MIDI output modules after you've changed the MIDI setup.pljones wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 5:22 pm If I've got defined hardware MIDI Outs it would probably make sense for the project-level modular area having an Event Out for each hardware out, plus the composer Event Out defaulting to being wired to all of them, maybe?
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 12 Nov, 2012
That's it! Fantasticmutools wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:55 pm Sorry it took more time than expected to reply in depth on this, due to some difficult bugs last week.
Ok, so how to send events to external MIDI in M9:
1) Send the events in to a composer event output.
2) In the project modular area: Insert a "Project Event Output" and connect that composer event out to this Project Event Out.
So admitted this is an extra step compared to M8 and that's because the composer now is a module. But i think the advantages of the composer being a module are much greater than eg this little extra connection to send composer events to MIDI output.
If you have any additional questions/suggestions about this, let me know.
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- KVRist
- 388 posts since 28 Oct, 2002
I normally drag and drop instruments and effects on to Mulab from open files on one of my other monitors but it doesn't seem to be working in 9.0.10 this morning. Can someone confirm if its working for them.
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