Cool new plug in format on the way -- CLAP
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- KVRian
- 638 posts since 10 Jan, 2008
Urs, thanks for your time to take it in consideration at least, and for being around to listen what your customers want.
I appreciate that! Would love to hear you make this come true.
Meanwhile, have a nice and pleasant start of '22 and get this thing up and running
I appreciate that! Would love to hear you make this come true.
Meanwhile, have a nice and pleasant start of '22 and get this thing up and running
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- KVRian
- 1096 posts since 28 May, 2010 from Finland
Now that I've thought about it. Isn't it a bit surprising that it has taken 1996-2021 (25 years?) for someone to realize that most/all independently developed plug-ins have relied on a proprietary "base" to do so?
I thought having to rely on JUCE was bad enough so there was WDL-OL. But having a proprietary format. Isn't this sort of like as if .txt required a license every time it's used?
I thought having to rely on JUCE was bad enough so there was WDL-OL. But having a proprietary format. Isn't this sort of like as if .txt required a license every time it's used?
- u-he
- 28063 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Well, attempts have been made before... to me it just seemed like too much of design by committee. Which is why the guys wo are involved with CLAP now work with a pretty closed group of maybe 20 people.
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- KVRAF
- 7400 posts since 17 Feb, 2005
Was the most popular spec, VST2, proprietary? Yes.soundmodel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:42 pm Now that I've thought about it. Isn't it a bit surprising that it has taken 1996-2021 (25 years?) for someone to realize that most/all independently developed plug-ins have relied on a proprietary "base" to do so?
Did it do most of the tasks that anyone using them, wanted them to do? Yes.
So what is 25 years, to you soundmodel, of a working API without being indepentently developed meaning?
I guess that means it worked. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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- KVRian
- 1096 posts since 28 May, 2010 from Finland
At what cost?camsr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:42 pmWas the most popular spec, VST2, proprietary? Yes.soundmodel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:42 pm Now that I've thought about it. Isn't it a bit surprising that it has taken 1996-2021 (25 years?) for someone to realize that most/all independently developed plug-ins have relied on a proprietary "base" to do so?
Did it do most of the tasks that anyone using them, wanted them to do? Yes.
So what is 25 years, to you soundmodel, of a working API without being indepentently developed meaning?
I guess that means it worked. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Some guesses, even when I'm novice:
- Reduced effort on Linux platform
- Major software becoming "dependent" on this format for distribution
- People have already invested a lot of money around this format, why change now? So "if my DAW and my favorite plug-in vendors are not going to support this, then I will not care"
- A full ecosystem reliant on this format and weak ways out, since it's already so big (who wants to jump to Linux world now?)
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- KVRian
- 1273 posts since 9 Jan, 2006
- KVRAF
- 5505 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
- u-he
- 28063 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
- KVRAF
- 1877 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
When interfacing with dodgy DAWs, always wrap the CLAP.
CLAP Software Database: https://clapdb.tech. KVR Discussion Topic.
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- KVRist
- 104 posts since 28 Aug, 2007 from NY
I know this post is a month old, but this is similar to how other plugin formats work. In VST you create the factory, then create the component, then initialize the component, then activate the component, then tell the component to start processing. Each of those states is meaningfully different.karrikuh wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:00 pm One thing I noted and was wondering about is the number of initialization steps required to create a plugin instance and make it ready for processing audio. There is:
clap_plugin_entry->init()
clap_plugin_entry->createPlugin()
clap_plugin->init()
clap_plugin->activate()
clap_plugin->start_processing()
- KVRian
- 643 posts since 17 Aug, 2015 from Finland
I'm intrigued.
My solo projects:
Hekkräiser (experimental) | MFG38 (electronic/soundtrack) | The Santtu Pesonen Project (metal/prog)
Hekkräiser (experimental) | MFG38 (electronic/soundtrack) | The Santtu Pesonen Project (metal/prog)
- KVRAF
- 4869 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
Whaaa???
C/R, dongles & other intrusive copy protection equals less-control & more-hassle for consumers. Company gone-can’t authorize. Limit to # of auths. Instability-ie PACE. Forced internet auths. THE HONEST ARE HASSLED, NOT THE PIRATES.
- GRRRRRRR!
- 15952 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
No, on this point Dave is spot-on. Without Steinberg there would be no VST, no massive plugin market for you and others to earn a living from. VST3 may have been a (giant) misstep but that doesn't undo all the amazing things that Steinberg's standard has given to all of us. A little respect and gratitude wouldn't go astray.Markus Krause wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:39 pm @Anx,
as usual you're posting off-topic garbage, trying to provocate and start an argument. That's why all your comments will be ignored. All your attempts to derail the tread will be reported to the moderation.
That said, I'm all for competition and if CLAP lights a fire under Steinberg, we all win. However, as a user I am perfectly happy with VST so I'm not overly excited.
Actually, electric cars were around before petrol powered cars and, until around 1910, there were roughly as many electric cars on the streets as there were petrol cars. It was only when somebody perfected the carburettor that internal combustion cars took off.starflakeprj wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:47 pmWith that attitude the electric car would never have seen the light of the day.
There is also little or no new technology in most BEVs today. Tesla, for example, deliberately use off-the-shelf components to keep costs down, which is why their battery packs use the same Panasonic cells you'd find in a laptop battery (although they have been tweaking the chemistry of late). The only reason EVs are taking off now is that ICE powered vehicles are being regulated out of existence. On a level playing field, EVs simply cannot cut it.
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- u-he
- 28063 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
No worries. The concept is not easy to grasp.audiojunkie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:24 amWhaaa???
Of course it is a new format, so it falls in the same categories as VST or AU. But due to its liberal license and its portability it can become an intermediate layer between it and other formats, whose support then profits from the robustness, clarity and simplicity of CLAP.