VCV Rack 2

[dayjob]

was hoping for the AU version by now. hmmm. the plug in won't run in the Live beta version because it's apple silicon native. shows up fine in Live 11 non-beta/non-native version.

AU and apple silicon native update is hopefully on the horizon not too far out.

[milkmiruku]

There’s also an open source project named Cardinal that wraps the VCV Rack into a plugin.
Not tried it myself as I just bought the VCV Pro, but others may want to check it out.
https://github.com/DISTRHO/Cardinal

Is there any VST/dll to download or is it just in development?

There're VSTs available, work well for me except you can't resize the window currently which is being looked at.

You need an account and be signed into github or the links aren't clickable, not the most obvious links either (bottom of an Acions page).

Zero obvious. Zero results...
I'm sure developers know where they host their files, but for sure, they're not aiming on make it available for average users...

You probably just need to create a free GitHub account and then that should show the download options on that link above once you are logged in.

The easy test would be going into private/incognito mode in one's browser and looking.

Spoiler; no, you don't need to be logged into GH to access the build artefacts.

Edit; I'm silly, yes, the artefact links are not links. I'll ask if this can be worked around.

[GaryG]

^ thats interesting, I signed out and the artifacts became plain non-clickable links.

[GaryG]

Are you running the latest build? The VST window size gets saved on a per preset basis as of one of the more recent builds. I just created a default preset in Reaper with the size I want and it recalls at that size.

I haven't tried since before Christmas to be honest, I was talking to ... (dev, gone blank ) a couple of weeks back and he made some progress, getting the resize handle to appear but it did nothing. He said it may be a while before he looked at it again, maybe he has and I missed it (usually get an email). I'll try and check later.

Unless it's specific to a particular host or something. Works here on Windows and Reaper.

Which version of cardinal are you using? I tried the latest and don't even see the modules anymore I'm on W10 and Reaper too, also tried Live.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Are you running the latest build? The VST window size gets saved on a per preset basis as of one of the more recent builds. I just created a default preset in Reaper with the size I want and it recalls at that size.

I haven't tried since before Christmas to be honest, I was talking to ... (dev, gone blank ) a couple of weeks back and he made some progress, getting the resize handle to appear but it did nothing. He said it may be a while before he looked at it again, maybe he has and I missed it (usually get an email). I'll try and check later.

Unless it's specific to a particular host or something. Works here on Windows and Reaper.

Which version of cardinal are you using? I tried the latest and don't even see the modules anymore I'm on W10 and Reaper too, also tried Live.

Sorry, I thought we were talking VCV Rack 2 Pro, not Cardinal. I think Cardinal probably deserves its own thread so it doesn't get confused with VCV Rack 2 Pro discussion. It's already confusing enough with Cardinal being a fork of a prior version of Rack, so probably best to not further confuse things by talking about both products in a single thread.

[Rastkovic]

I think the money is well spent on the pro version. I like to support this ongoing project.

[milkmiruku]

Cardinal is a wrapper of Rack 2, not a fork. This is the second forum I've seen those two incorrect facts stated together on. Might there be an actual mistaken source of that misinformation?

Falktx says releases are nigh which will provide links. If folk don't want to create an M$-owned company account, they can easily clone, make and make install (and, yes, there is a make uninstall). If someone isn't keen on that, then it's probably better all-round that they only test actual releases. Arch and Arch derived Linux users can just look to the AUR to make their own -git based packages.

Falktx also advises Cardinal/Rack users to buy the Pro version if they like the software that much.

#cardinal on Libera, n yeah, someone should create a thread.

[Shabdahbriah]

Had VCV for ages, but only just now discovered the Orca’s Heart sequencer.

Interesting, I'll give it a try. Thanks.

There is also a handy diagram of the module on his GitHub site. For lazy people like me....


https://github.com/scanner-darkly/vcv-collection-one

That's a really interestingly laid-out interface. Love the simplicity, and practical read-out right next to the knobs. I'm oddly drawn towards modules (physical and virtual) that have a near 4:3 face-plate aspect. Will have to give that a go.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Cardinal is a wrapper of Rack 2. This is the second forum I've seen those two incorrect facts stated together on. Might there be an actual mistaken source of that misinformation?

Some weird drama seems to accompany Cardinal, I will stick to VCV.

[milkmiruku]

Some weird drama seems to accompany Cardinal

That's a fairly.. dramatic and weird thing to say. Can you point to what you actually mean? Cos it just reads like FUD.

[GaryG]

I think Cardinal probably deserves its own thread so it doesn't get confused with VCV Rack 2 Pro discussion.

I think that's a good idea, I'll start one next time I have something to say about it.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Some weird drama seems to accompany Cardinal

That's a fairly.. dramatic and weird thing to say. Can you point to what you actually mean? Cos it just reads like FUD.

No

[milkmiruku]

No

Ok, though I don't see how you cannot realise you are perpetuating imaginary drama with such vague implications.

Though I guess, if anyone, as you say you do, wishes to base what software they get interested in or not based on people unfortunately not getting along for some reason or other, they could still google for 'vcv drama'. Maybe Cardinal will come up somewhere there.

Mostly just making a note now that, from the benefit of my experience, and in my opinion, some false and eye rolling things have been said about Cardinal.

[jackxavier]

Some weird drama seems to accompany Cardinal

That's a fairly.. dramatic and weird thing to say. Can you point to what you actually mean? Cos it just reads like FUD.

No

ive done a lot of research on cardinal since it came about around last october. no apparent drama afaict. you can see andrew belt weighing in and commenting in the initial discussion thread of cardinal's github page and he's quite neutral. i think we'd see cardinal gone by now if it was violating the gpu's in place w vcv2. you can also find posts on the vcv forum about cardinal: https://community.vcvrack.com/t/cardina ... jack/15580 - the post is still up, and there doesn't seem to be any hostility in there so there's that.

i've got rack pro as well as cardinal and even veeseevst. the free veeseevst has been essential up to now, in terms of using it as a teaching tool for students (most of which don't have any money). so i'm REALLY excited cardinal exists now to be able to use now in the classroom. cardinal even supports 32bit allowing my younger students who are still using older hand-me-down laptops, it works fairly great (save a few modules which still need to be fixed by falktx, cardinal's main dev). rack pro is certainly the best of all 3(despite it's, imho, high price tag) - i mean the number of free, amazing sounding modules for it is crazy making it p much the most powerful synth plugin out now perhaps (side note: i think andrew takes way too much credit - vcv would be nothing without all the 3rd party devs making amazing modules for vcv!). automating any knob in rack pro is way easier than cardinal (cardinal u still have the map module though). but if you really actually know what you're doing with vcv, cardinal (even veeseevst) - is still really insanely powerful even though it doesn't have all the modules of rack pro. in it's beta form, ive found cardinal to be quite stable enough to use in the classroom this year. or even live productions (i have a reaper test project currently with about 100 instances of cardinal (not all on at the same time obvs) using all different modules, and no crashes at all). there are pluses and minuses to all 3 of these vcv vst2 variations, but, i think, ultimately the price tag is really a determining factor.

yeah it sucks about past dramas surrounding vcv. i hate exclusivity, greed, and meglomaniac behaviors muddying up fun creative environments as much as anybody. but it's probably time to move forward and hope vcv heads, et al, have learned their lessons/won't repeat the same mistakes moving forward.

[BaiCaiX]

I don’t have VCV Rack. A quick search revealed that there is a module that will host VST 2/3 plugins available for $30. The module provides all exposed automation parameters as targets for modulation.

Sheesh. Okay. Maybe it is time to add one more software modular to my hoard.

Host makes VCV behave like a DAW. Refresh your existing plugins.