Is talent born or created with hard work and practice

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

With that said I dont think it unreasonable for me to have quite a different perspective on genetics,

It is a privilege of human beings to have different opinions about genes, but it is not a privilege of the genes to take them into consideration.

I said different perspective sir, not opinion

There is one perspective to genes, that of hard science. A different perspective is but an opinion.

[vurt]

blue or black?
tight or loose?
zip or buttons?

[Unaspected]

blue or black?
tight or loose?
zip or buttons?

Black.
Tight and loose.
Zips.

[vurt]

blue or black?
tight or loose?
zip or buttons?

Black.
Tight and loose.
Zips.

lose the tight and that's me.

[Hink]

I agree vurt someone else defining anothers success based on their own goals and aspirations fails. Success has been for too often equated with fortune and fame, as such it's easy for people to forget that success is simply meeting one's own goals. We get lost on what we dont have (in this case money, recognition, validation from others) when we dont see what we do have or diminish it, it basically trivializes many of our day to day smaller successes. A lot of little successes can create larger success if we take the time to acknowledge them and learn from them...even very little ones.

[zerocrossing]

We’ve known for a long time that genetics play a large roll in human development, but there’s also no “free lunch” when it comes to talent. For instance, I could work as hard as Michael Jordan and there’s no way that my short and clumsy self would ever become great at basketball. Could I become pretty good? Sure, good enough to enjoy it, but not to be a pro.

But why was I never interested in sports? That’s a more interesting question for me. My daughter seems to have an aptitude for sports that my wife and I never had. I see her take to stuff while other kids around her are flailing. She was roller skating within minutes of putting on skates. Her best friend, who got her skates at the exact same time (we got them for the girls as a Christmas present) still can’t do it. Her roller skating impaired friend, otoh, is a voracious reader. My daughter can definitely read well, and likes it, but her friend is the type that they have to yell at to stop to sleep. By my daughter’s age, I was obsessed with music. Not really playing it, but listening to it. Recording songs off the TV and radio with a table top cassette deck. My daughter likes music, but she really has no interest in learning to do it. So, is it some aptitude that makes someone better at something, or is it an interest that drives someone to excel at something? Obviously, it’s a bit of both. I can tell you that I don’t think I could ever be a great singer. My biology stops me from having a Freddy Mercury style range and no amount of work will ever fix that.

Why? No idea, but I definitely believe that kids have a pretty well developed frame at a very young age. What gets done with that frame is definitely something that nurture can effect. One of my best friend’s kids is a cross dresser. His two older brothers are not. Why? I saw it when he was three and had the same light-up rainbow sparkle sneakers that my daughter had. His parents just let him do his thing and at Thanksgiving he was in a full on dress. It’s just him. The only thing I believe is that you can do damage by stopping someone’s true nature.

[vurt]

i think musically my success, aside from a few credits on albums and stuff...
my personal stuff, whether you like it or not, it is recognisable as me. ive worked hard to refine it over the years, to get to a point where it sounds like it's random noise, but if you listen closer, the randomness disappears.
not bloody easy

knowing what "you" want, and getting there is hard, especially when you have other people who do not agree with your idea of success, telling you you are a failure. you can brush that off when it's a stranger, they don't know your aims, but when a loved one doesn't see the success, it kills you inside.

[Hink]

With that said I dont think it unreasonable for me to have quite a different perspective on genetics,

It is a privilege of human beings to have different opinions about genes, but it is not a privilege of the genes to take them into consideration.

I said different perspective sir, not opinion

There is one perspective to genes, that of hard science. A different perspective is but an opinion.

no sir imo you are completely wrong...two people can share the same opinion but have different perspectives on how it affects them and how they manage.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

no sir imo you are completely wrong...two people can share the same opinion but have different perspectives on how it affects them and how they manage.

Is that so? Good luck convincing the gene researchers to take the perspective of your family anecdotes into account in their next articles, then

[vurt]

comedy i guess can give us some insight
some comedians work bloody hard, writing routines, crafting the timing and so on, whereas other people, they can just make you laugh, walking in to the room.
then there are those who see no humour in anything whatsoever.

[cryophonik]

That's not funny, vurt.

[vurt]

when i told my parents i wanted to be a stand up comedian, they laughed.
well here i am live at the albert hall, they're not laughing now...

[thecontrolcentre]

^^

[vurt]

iirc that was bob monkhouse?

[thecontrolcentre]

iirc that was bob monkhouse?

Sounds about right (deffo heard it before)